Proudiddy

Ngl, it's gonna hurt bad to see the Bears use that pick... we have never in our history needed a mulligan so bad.

Not writing them off, but just judging off how they're trending... Bryce is looking the least impressive/functional out of all the rookie QBs playing so far and we traded up to #1 (including giving up DJ) to get him. That appears to be a massive miss, regardless of how he plays the rest of the season, bc had we traded up to say 4 or 5, kept DJ, and took him, AR, or Stroud, depending on how it played out, we still walk away with so much more value. Now, they're saying we're looking to trade for a #1 WR, when we just traded one to get Bryce in the first place. You can't play that hand any worse. And as far as me mentioning DJ Johnson - he might be a rookie with great athleticism, but he isn't active and he's 25 years old. He could be a late bloomer, but generally, if they're going to project well, a good staff can find ways to use them. And then you have guys like Mingo, Zavala and Jammie. We dont really know what we have with Mingo, but it appears they dont know how to use him effectively or get him the ball. Zavala is the worst guard starting in the league right now, and Jammie made the team but doesn't play. This draft is looking atrocious.

Yup... and I literally just had that debate again with a huddler last week when I again reminded everyone that DJ is a top 5 WR in the league. Talent-wise, he absolutely is, he's just been stuck in trash ass offenses with the majority of it being stuck with subpar QBs.

I was an ardent Fitt guy... after this offseason, I'm out. Fire his ass... I loved his connections and inroads to all the other FOs around the league and ability to find value trades, but trading DJ instead of Burns and drafting Bryce on top of the other umerous flubs (DJ Johnson, etc.) has put the nail in his coffin. Then watching DJ go off tonight while Burns half-asses his way through the season because he thinks he should be paid like an elite, complete edge, when hes just a really solid to good pass rusher... Get him tf out of here.

I wouldnt consider Jeudy a speed guy though. Tbh, I don't think we need another WR at all. I think this is just more scrambling and CYA moves to try to cover up Bryce's deficiencies and I don't think it's gonna make a difference. What it is gonna do if things continue, is cost Reich and Fitt their jobs a lot faster than it would otherwise for doubling down.

Denver can go fug themselves for that price for that player lol. Take this 4 and like it. Otherwise, I'm out and give me Higgins for a 2nd or 3rd.

Caleb is good, but tbh, I'm not sure he's as surefire of a franchise guy as people think. (I still would've taken him over Bryce though)

Come back and talk to me in a year or two when you find out.

Higgins would be worth trading for regardless of our current circumstance or record... That being said, it still amazes me that the world (but mainly our fanbase), has convinced themselves that DJ Chark and Thielen just fell off a cliff in less than a year. These guys can play. They're being misused and under utilized.

Actually I think there was a strong contingent of huddlers that wanted Beane at the time. His reputation had grown over the years and everyone knew Hurney was a dead end at that point, so it seemed logical. I wanted us to give Beane a shot. But I could see why some were against it...

No way Ben Johnson comes here after passing us up last season and seeing the shitshow Tepper is ringmaster of. It should be Evero or Brown. My preference would be Evero with a chance of securing Brown long-term as the OC. I wanted Bienemy back when Tepper's dumbass hired Rhule... and many of the "experts" here wanted no part of him bc of his past and thinking he didn't do anything under Reid. But I don't think Bienemy gets out of DC, so we're better off staying in-house.

I dont know if you remember 2001, and tbh, it's been a long time for me too lol, but it felt like every game we found creative and painful ways to lose. But I watched every game... every second. I don't remember many of those games where it felt like we just got the doors blown off of us... from memory, it felt like an awful lot were lost within a score and a few on last second plays. It was miserable to be so close but so far away... and that's what this team feels like. We find ways to lose. We literally had a 99 yard pick six, won the turnover battle, and still found a way to lose on a 4th qtr fumble that switched the momentum. Again, I'm not saying we'll go winless, but wins in the NFL usually hinge on one or two plays - and there are teams that find ways to win on those plays, and there are teams that find ways to lose. This current team finds ways to lose.

I remember Bills fans were in the doldrums for a few years because Pegula very much looked and felt like Tepper thus far, and then he backed into hiring McDermott, Beane (all faciliated, of course, by a monumental fug up by the one and only Carolina Panthers), and then drafting Josh Allen. But man, I think Tepper has far more fug ups than Pegula ever had, so it's hard to see him turning it around. If he does, just like with Pegula, it's gonna be by accident.

I will believe it when I see it. We are steadily racking up injuries and already weren't very deep. The team is undisciplined and lacking in fundamentals and execution. I'm not saying we will be winless, but it's a definite possibility. And the Broncos have Super Bowl winning QB and coach. We don't. That's a big difference.

The playoffs didn't fall into his lap. He had to dig us out of a huge hole that Rhule created and our players were ready to run through a fire for Wilks. And how tf do we find an offensive-based coach who is more conservative than a fuging defensive coach? And look how Wilks has the Niners defense looking. Sometimes the problem isn't everyone else... maybe the organization here is just fuged up.

In summary, he is a paid mouthpiece for the organization.

And for those of you that think this is an overreaction on Tepper's part (even if he created it), imagine the embarrassment of knowing you're the first owner to ever go all in and trade next year's first to move up to #1, took a guy you had such conviction over that you thought he'd make you competitive, only to end up tanking worse than the year before, and now you'll forever be known as the owner that facilitated the first ever occurrence of a team picking #1 and #2 in the modern NFL draft era. Yeah, I think that's enough shame to cause a lot of heads to roll in a lightning quick manner. As we've discussed before - you don't trade up to #1 to tank after. Tanking is not an option if you don't have a first in the next draft... and yet, we look like we may go winless. Idk if that's ever happened either... Seriously, not even the Browns fuged up this bad, EVER. This is as bad as it gets. Even Burns is on social media liking oosts abiut how fuging horrible we are. So I imagine every seat on Mint St is hot as hell.

This. And also, love Smitty, but he is an employee, and for much as I respect and love the guy, he never said a sideways word about Tepper or Rhule during the Rhule Era. He is here for the entirety of every preseason, and he saw and knew the college poo that was taking place while Rhule was here and all he kept doing was pushing the same hype machine that our PR and social media teams push. He didn't call the organization out for any of the poo he saw that he KNEW was unprofessional. He essentially protects the brand. And then as soon as it's safe to admit a mistake bc Tepper deemed it one, then he speaks out about it, just like he did with Rhule. He's not going to put anything out saying "welp, Panthers Nation, we fuged up. The coach is horrible and the #1 pick is a bust." Tepper would have him banned from the facilities for life.

I think the sad truth is, there is no salvaging this season. Playcalling is a part of the problem, but it isn't all of it. Not to pile on Bryce, but I think the truth is - I just don't think he is a starting QB and playcalling will only help so much. Again, not to pile on Bryce, bc I feel bad for him, but people are celebrating him making 10 yard throws as evidence that he's a franchise QB. The playcalling was bad in Seattle, but Dalton was still attempting and completing deep throws that Bryce either doesn't see or doesn't want and it limits the entire offense. Again, it's worth considering that yes, Frank is not a good coach, but also, Bryce was not a good investment and regardless of who is calling plays, we aren't going to win many games this season because we drafted him and he has to start. And that's all on Tepper. We are looking at 3 years minimum of digging ourselves out of the hole that this previous offseason created.

What The fug

I have already said can Reich for Evero. I feel like Evero is closer to a guaranteed HC gig as of right now, so my thought was that we might be able to retain Brown as the OC at that point, but you never know. In any scenario, I want Frank out of here.

Hopefully they'll take it from you, fiz. I haven't had any luck, but I'm just an emotional shitposting mod.

Can we start shopping for a new owner?

The answer would be no. I didn't get to eat with him at his pre-draft dinner.

It's our fault, bro. For not seeing his greatness... I've seen the light today. Bryce is Tom Brady incarnate and if we didn't pay for access to All-22s or watch YouTube breakdowns from people broadcasting firmly from his scrotum, we are just casuals who can't see his greatness.