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All the trade up talk will be moot when we give up this years first or next years to sign Sean Payton anyways. I'm definitely against that more than trading up for Stroud but that's the way things currently seemed to be headed imo. I'd rather bring in Steichen personally.

We were a bottom third defense in yards allowed and a bottom half defense in points this year and our total defense numbers regressed a lot from the previous season and even from the first 6 games of the season. With Wilks a super conservative defensive coach at the helm. I would at least like to have an innovative offensive coach if you're going to put up bottom third defensive numbers as a defensive coach.

While I definitely agree with you, I think it all comes down to his workouts and how the scouts see him. You cant trade away your first next year to take a qb just to take one. Over reaching for need puts a lot of teams in a hole quick. In the history of the panthers how often has trading future draft picks worked well for us?

There are a lot of question marks with Stroud. It would be different if he was a for sure prospect. I'm fine with giving up a couple seconds or something but I dont like giving up next year's first when we very well could be a bad team next year even with Stroud.

He has also performed terribly in the playoffs and against most of the best teams in general. He is an elite runner who is great against above average teams and below but I dont believe in him in the playoffs.

TB had a losing record and Seattle and detroit finished 9-8, and we split with TB and our coaching staff was totally exposed the second time we played them. Those teams werent exactly regular season juggernauts.

Exactly. Every above average team they lost and every game that actually mattered they lost. He went .500 against a bunch of below 500 teams.

Going this year or next year wont affect that big second deal though. Heck if you're confident you're great then if you're just worried about that second deal, the way the rookie contracts scale its probably better to go in the second round so you bypass that 5th year option if you really want to gamble.

It's something that may happen more now that players can make big money in college too.

He has some fine points and some I disagree with. This is a weird quote though. "We know already that Wilks would work out. The players respect him and generally want him to return. He grew up in Charlotte and is deeply rooted in the Queen City." hes pushing the media narrative. How do we already know he would work out? He went .500 against one of the easiest schedules in the nfl. Interim coaches often are really good that year and then fizzle out quickly once hired full time. But the "we already know that Wilks would work out" quote is such a weird thing to say when you're trying to push your opinion as fact.

I dont know if it has been mentioned or not but did anyone see the huge Vegas odds increase last night of Levis being the first pick. They went from somewhere around 20 to 1 to 10 to 1.

Yea maybe he wasnt thinking about it but when he said last year was a "nuts and bolts offensive draft" and this draft was going to be more sexy, that doesn't sound like he has a lot of faith in Corral doing much.

I respect what you're saying but there is at least a decent chance Holcomb would be retained as DC because of their history. The defensive roster was flawed all year. You blame Snow for that like he built the defense himself but Wilks and Holcomb just inherited it. The thing that worries me is Snow figured out a way to make it work with its problems. Holcomb and to some extent Wilks instantly tried to change it and force a square peg into a round hole instead of working with the flawed personnel they had to work with. You can dance around it all you want but it's a fact.

Sounds like a potential Wilks staff lol. Bring back Turner as OC and keep Holcombe as DC...

I want to actually win in the playoffs though.

You're ignoring the point though. Whatever its problems were, it was the exact same roster that snow had when the defense was performing much better. The fact that they adjusted the defense to a basic defense relying on the front 4 to get pressure instead of scheming for the strength/weakness of our defensive roster is a clear negative to the coaching candidates, not a positive. Especially when you are considered almost entirely a defensive coach.

That never had back to back winning seasons.

I am specifically talking about a thing someone posted a week or so ago talking about most improved and units who declined the most and the Panthers defense regressed a lot in the second half of the season specifically. Most of that is tied to Snow being a superior dc to Holcombe but still. Hes tied to the hip with Wilks.

I'm talking about the Panthers this year.

Since he took over this year our defense had the biggest second half drop off in the nfl I believe.

Could definitely be a swing and a miss, I just feel like it's better than not swinging at all.

I disagree with this to an extent. Most of the best teachers/coaches of things werent very good players.

All you can do is try to learn from your mistakes and take another swing. Everyone makes mistakes, especially when they are new at something.

Lottery ticket is a bad example because it is totally random super low percentage, there is no skill or information that changes the odds. That's not true in any football situation.

Its definitely a risk and maybe its just my personality but I would still rather gamble swinging for the fence than take a safe single. Singles are all we've ever had as a franchise so to speak. Plenty of safe conservative defensive coaches. If you're asking me to pick between high floor low ceiling or low floor high ceiling, I'm always taking the ceiling