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Yeah, Jags winning hurts because of their SOS unless they win next week which is possible. The Colts could be out and tank a week. Tennessee could also win next week. Pretty sure Houston is locked into the 4th seed after that shellacking so they could easily rest next week. Jax winning could be the best thing for us but I’d still rather know we leaped over at least one team for sure. I’d love to also be in a potential spot to trade up. Beating Arizona really did hurt us draft wise. If NE beats a resting Buffalo next week, a 3-14 season likely gets us pick 1. Let’s hope we have some luck and games work out in our favor.

How does it hurt us if the Raiders winning every week? We leapfrog them and get pick 6 if the Raiders win. If the Giants win there is a good shot that Philly rests next week and maybe the Giants get behind us as well. Jax winning is OK in that they could beat the Colts next week too. Tennessee winning would be better as I’d rather have a bird in the hand (we leapfrog Tennessee) than hope Jax wins out. Again, Giants and Raiders winning is great for us. It’s not bad.

Damn, one week late. Lol, so Panthers. It’s going to hurt if we had a chance at a top pick and maybe even the top pick. NE plays a testing Buffalo next week, Giants play Philly next week and they’ll rest, Jax could beat Tennessee today and Oakland could beat the Saints today. A lot to happen, but had we lost out including AZ, we’d be pick 1 in the scenario above which isn’t really outlandish. Ugh, we could have gotten some nice picks from the Giants/Raiders/whoever to move to 1.

Let’s be honest, we have a lot of rookies playing a lot of minutes because our talent level is not good. We can’t just get starters, we need above average starters to really contend. By contend, I mean win our division and do something in the playoffs. We had a good game against KC, but what do you think would have happened if we played the KC team that dismantled Pittsburgh this week? We would have gotten killed. None of the rookies has shown that they’ll be special. How many teams would Wallace, XL or Sanders start? If we drafted a Moore, CMC, Moton, Burns or Brown, then I’d be excited. We took XL at 32. We drafted Moore at 24. We knew DJ was special his rookie year. With our WRs, XL should have taken over if he was special like McConkey did and yes, I liked him as well. AT should have had 0 impact on our draft. If we actually drafted XL over McConkey because of a 34 year on the roster, that’s a huge red flag. Add in taking a huge risk on a luxury when there were guys us draftniks liked and were huge impacts on their teams and the draft was not good. I like Coker, but it’s not a good sign when an UDFA looks like the best player we got. I want this damn team to win a lot, but the 2024 draft class won’t be why. Look at the 2017 draft. That’s what we need. CMC, Butker, Moton and Samuel. Three well above average starters and Samuel. That’s not even one of those historic drafts, just our last one with a big impact, not just one impact guy. The Rams winning every week isn’t helping next year either.

Posted this in the Higgins thread: Giants play Philly next week. If Detroit and Minnesota win today one of them is the #1 seed and Philly is #2 with a win over Dallas. I’d expect all 3 to win today but even if Minnesota loses to GB, Detroit winning clinches the NFC North and the one seed with a better division record (over Minnesota) and conference record (over Philly). Philly most likely has nothing to play for next week against the Giants. I’d sit my starters with no bye. Same applies to NE against the Bills next week but we beat AZ to make that a moot point. Had we lost last week, we actually had a legit shot at #1 with teams resting if Jax beat Tennessee. That would have been great for us as we could have gotten some decent picks from the Giants or Raiders or Browns or Tennessee or anyone else that wanted a QB. The drop in the 1st wouldn’t have been big either. It was fun to win but like the 2020 and 2021 drafts, we could easily have missed out on a team changing pick.

Giants play Philly next week. If Detroit and Minnesota win today one of them is the #1 seed and Philly is #2 with a win over Dallas. I’d expect all 3 to win today but even if Minnesota loses to GB, Detroit winning clinches the NFC North and the one seed with a better division record (over Minnesota) and conference record (over Philly). Philly most likely has nothing to play for next week against the Giants. I’d sit my starters with no bye. Same applies to NE against the Bills next week but we beat AZ to make that a moot point. Had we lost last week, we actually had a legit shot at #1 with teams resting if Jax beat Tennessee. That would have been great for us as we could have gotten some decent picks from the Giants or Raiders or Browns or Tennessee or anyone else that wanted a QB. The drop in the 1st wouldn’t have been big either. It was fun to win but like the 2020 and 2021 drafts, we could easily have missed out on a team changing pick.

Alvin Harper as well. #2 to Irvin and he looked great and signed a big deal with Washington. Same results. Not saying Higgins isn’t good, he is but the assumption that he can carry this team with Bryce, not Burrow, throwing to him is very risky. His price tag just went up and we’d have to overpay. He could be good and still never match up to what we’d pay because he’s not JJ or Chase.

We're still 4-11 and we only beat the Raiders, Giants, Saints and those lovable Cardinals who can never beat us. Blowing through the cap every year is not how you get a real contender. It covers up the horrible drafting and gets us a couple wins more than the worst team. We say the OL is fixed after all that money and yet a bad Dak-less Cowboys exposes our bad drafting and demolishes our OL from the center out. What does Higgins get us? No cap space and 5 maybe 6 wins? Until we start building through the draft we are going to keep spending all our cap space and by the time we sign some DL and say our DL is fixed, Lewis and Moton will be gone and the OL will be a problem again. We need to rollover cap space and actually draft well. Once we have a couple good drafts then you have the money to fill in the holes with top FAs.

I don’t think the Dolphins fine was solely for “tanking.” Don’t forget the Flores lawsuit. That bit of info was one of the things that Flores mentioned basically saying he never had a chance to succeed and the minority hiring was a sham. Pederson is the only in game ranking that I’ve ever seen. Sitting Hurts for a guy who couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn in a close game was obvious. Eagles didn’t get fined or lose a pick, they just fired Pederson. Sitting Horn, Hubbard, Moton etc. is how you really tank. It looks like we did it 1 week too late. Our 2nd rounder from the Rams is also getting worse every week. Arizona losing to us and their helmet interception yesterday cost Arizona (or Seattle) the division. Had they beat us and McBride turned earlier, Arizona (or Seattle) locked up the division from the Rams. The Rams would have been out of the playoffs completely even the WC spots.

That’s our drafting and trading prowess. We have the number 1 pick two years in a row and all we got out of it was Bryce and less talent. Now that we need a top pick, everyone sucks and we might pick 10th. You can’t make this poo up, especially after losing out on Herbert by 1 win followed by losing out SF giving us 3 1sts for their drafting of Lance by 1 win. I’m pretty sure that we’ll miss out on a stud by 1 pick due to a meaningless win or we’ll just fug up the pick. Unfortunately, when it comes to the draft, we still haven’t seen any improvement at all since Gettleman’s last and best draft.

Small handful? There are dozens of QBs that started their rookie years and your examples are a bit of a stretch as proof: Brady - 6th rounders don’t usually even make a team yet he became the starter year 2. Mahomes - like Rodgers, he was drafted into a team with a playoff QB already entrenched and Bradshaw - Started 8 games his rookie year. Montana - like Brady, 3rd rounders QBs are absolutely not expected to start their rookie year and most times they don’t ever become starters. He became the starter year 2. Staubach - this is a silly example. He was a 10th rounders pick because he spent 5 years in the military after Navy. He didn’t play football for 5 years and he’s an example of a QB not starting as a rookie? Here’s a bunch of examples of successful QBs that were rookie starters since Cam and some old ones I remember: Elway, Marino, Aikman, the entire Manning family, Newton, Stroud, Lamar, Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Allen, Stafford, Lawrence, Mac Jones (jk), Watson (before happy endings), Tannehill, Luck, Burrow, Herbert and Tua. There’s even less than successful QBs who were rookie starters like Murray, Trubisky, Jones, Winston, Mariota, Bortles, RG3 and maybe Bryce. Heck, Winston and RG3 went to the pro bowl his rookie year.

Very true. Our overall talent, especially depth is awful because our drafting since 2018 has been atrocious. Most of the rare good players have been traded. It’s why we get posts about how good Mays is at C until he gets ragdolled by Dallas. It’s been nice to see us be competitive but we’ve only beaten a 3 win Oakland, 2 win Giants, 5 win Saints and an underachieving Cardinals team we always seem to beat (Murray looked like he gave up in the 4th). Yes, we put up a fight against KC and Philly, but everyone has been playing close with those two. We need to start winning drafts. Sorry to the OP, but saying Brooks showed us why we drafted him in what 12 touches for 45 yards? Seems to me he showed us why it was a mistake to draft him after another ACL after only 12 touches. We had a terrible draft yet again and that has to change. We can’t keep taking risks like we do with every single pick.

Heckuva day 1 and day 2 in the last draft.

Well the feed is at least watchable unlike that awful fight but it still is way behind other live streamers. You can’t go back and forth at all. There’s no mini box as you FF/REW so it’s impossible to know where you are.

I don’t know who the guy is that you are debating, but there is no sense in trying to defend our recent drafts. They are unfortunately bad and a good reason why we are 11-38 in our last four years and don’t even have any new “studs” on the team. Most 1st and 2nd round picks flash right away. Saying other teams bust and you need three years is just an excuse. Players not developing until year 3 or 4 is a rarity nowadays, it’s just an excuse for our current and prior GM. The only cases of those are typically on good teams that don’t need players to start right away alah KC and Mahomes or GB and Rodgers. The only guy who I think has done well recently for us is Canales based on the actual team talent level. Morgan has made a couple good FA moves but his best was spending more for guards than any other team. He’s been meh otherwise and again almost Fitterer like in the draft.

Me too. We were stupid in our approach that year. Instead of trading Moore and Burns for 3 1sts (Packers offered their 1st) and a 2nd, we trade CMC for a late 2nd and some change. If you are trying to get a top QB in a draft where the top 3 go 1, 2 and 4, you tank so you don’t give up Moore for pocket change and you don’t end up extending Burns and trade him for pocket change. As for Sunday, I enjoyed the win but I also understand why people would have rather lost. We have a history of making bad picks and being 1 pick away from an all pro. I like Brown but would I rather have Herbert, yes. Horn isn’t great so yeah, I’d rather have Sewell or in that draft we actually would have had the 3rd pick with one more loss. I can’t even imagine what it would have been like to have SF’s firsts and then a year later gotten the Rams’ firsts. Bounty of talent, ugh. Then again, Fitterer would have surely fuged up multiple times, so I get just enjoying the wins. I don’t think either side is wrong because, let’s face it, the only reason we are having this discussion is because Jo yet again, we will end with 2-7 wins again for the 7th straight year. If we weren’t a poo ass team year in and year out for almost a decade, we’d always cheer for wins because we’d be picking 20+. On the wipes side, I am a TP and wipe guy. I like to keep the wipe usage to a minimum but like @Jon Snow said above, I like it sparkly clean. We will be building our semi-retirement/retirement home soon and a bidet or fancy toilet with one built in is 100% happening. Just need to make sure there is an outlet for the heat and programming. The only thing better is pooing pre-shower, still need some wiping you barbarians, just not sparkling.

It looks like we are locked into a top 10 pick no matter what. We can’t win more than 6 and SF’s SOS is way above ours. If we will both, we are 10th. Jets and Bears won’t win 2 and NO without Kamara is losing out. If we win 1 more game, we are likely 9th as NOs SOS is above ours. I think 7 is our ceiling if we win 1 as well so likely 9th but possibly 7th or 8th. I can’t imagine any of the craps teams in front of us winning 2. If we lose both, we are 5th to 7th. I think 5th is likely because I think the Raiders beat NO and Tennessee beats Jax. That would be best for us if we lose out. We can’t be worse than 7th unless somehow the Jets jump us in SOS. There is a magic trick where we could get 4th but asking any of these crap teams to win twice is lunacy. I enjoyed the win but damn, it wouldn’t have taken much (Jax beat Tenn and NE beating a resting Buffalo) to get us to 2 or 3 if we had lost. At 2 or at 3 with NE at 2 would have potentially gotten us that dream scenario where someone trades a mini farm to us for QB2 to get past a QB needy team like Cleveland.

Harrison does not impress me at all. He had that one amazing game, but to sit and wait for the ball instead of attacking it is why Jackson could make the plays. Nabers is clearly the top WR in this draft class. Harrison needs to play better or he’s going to be a bit of a bust.

We’d be better off for the future if we had taken Wilson instead of Iky. Based on where we will draft, one of two stud LTs will very likely be available to us. With the two QBs, two CBs, Graham and maybe Carter, we might be better at LT with Wilson also. Iky is always going to be a liability pass blocking. We also could have gone CB or C instead of XL. Team wise, I think we’d be better overall. I’m worried we may miss out on the clear defensive studs in this draft and reach because we don’t want a LT.

I hate to be KB’s defender but that was on the ref 5 yards from KB and the CB. The play should have been stopped immediately. KB knew he touched the CB and the play was reviewed and overturned for a touchback because the CB was down. It all goes back to protecting QBs. I have no doubt that if Brady was the QB, the whistle blows because you’d be letting a potential dangerous play continue for no reason. We saw our own TD get suspended for a blindside block on Adams on an interception return. Cam was QB and this was 2016, so no whistle. KB has no idea that Cam will hurt himself trying to tackle. It’s not his call to blow the whistle. I understand he could have just tried to tackle the guy, but he and the asshole ref are the only guys who know the play will be overturned on review. Also, 9 other offensive players didn’t make the tackle and I’ll bet that if we go frame by frame there are a few not giving 100%. The refs spent all of 2016, from the SB to week 1 to this game not protecting Cam ever. The zebra right next to the play should have stopped a dangerous play, period.

The only way NE beats Buffalo is week 18 if Buffalo rests. That’s very possible as KC is 2 games up on Buffalo and Buffalo is 2 games up on Pitt/Baltimore. Buffalo wins today and next week against Jets and KC beats Pittsburgh and those two are locked into seeds 1 and 2 before the last game.

Young got a call as a small guy that Cam would have never gotten. It was a bad call but oh well, we seemed to have Arizona’s number over the years.

One note that’s missing in here is playoff teams sitting the last week. NE plays Buffalo and KC is 14-1 and the Steelers are now 2 losses back. If KC and Buffalo win next week and Buffalo wins tomorrow, seeds 1 and 2 are locked. I’d have to look but Pittsburgh plays KC next week and Baltimore plays Houston. I don’t know what the tiebreakers are but a KC and Baltimore win next week could lock Baltimore into 3 seed and they could rest against Cleveland in the last game. I think because there could be some locked up seeds this season with the league having so many bad teams that we may see a lot of top teams resting guys in week 18.

No he wasn’t. He had multiple good games after that Pittsburgh game but he had 45 TDs in 2015. He finished with 28 in 14 games in 2018. That TJ Watt hit is glorified in here but his shoulder was already a problem. He had shoulder surgery after the 2016 season and he was added to the injury list the game before Pittsburgh. The hit didn’t help but Cam threw for 357 yards and 3 TDs the week after the “hit” and was 25 of 30 for 256 and 2 TDs the next week.

You are correct. In 2020, ESPN had us 32nd in terms of continuity. All the coaches were new and we lost tons of starters like Luke, Cam, Greg, TD, etc. CMC played 10 games in Rhule’s first two years. Rhule wasn’t good but we came close to beating both #1 seeds in 2020 with Teddy and we started 2021 3-0 and there was talk about playoff byes. Again, bad but much better than the coach and GM we empowered. The Cowboys game really threw ice water on the 5 game feel good run, but it still feels way better than the we got lucky to win 2 games last year.