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His time in Baltimore isn’t really helping him get a big fat contract. Plenty of WRs out there could come in and be the #1 on the Panthers.

I still worry about his arm strength limiting what we can do. After this game, teams might not come in and expect a cakewalk. All that said, I hope he’s our Alex Smith who we can cheaply build around and be competitive while we look for our Mahomes. I just don’t see him being someone that could legitimately contend versus someone who could be good enough to win the poo fest that is the NFC South.

It would absolutely have helped his cause. Also, if he traded DJ Moore for pick 15 in the 2023 draft (Packers offer), that would have helped. Heck, tanking that season by making any other trade so we don’t finish 6-6 and have to trade up for Bryce would have helped him. First, Tepper would understand that we were in rebuild mode and really targeting a rookie QB. Second, we wouldn’t have thrown away so many picks to fug up with Young. Third, we would have had an arsenal of picks still which helps Fitterer look like he has a real plan. Last, that Burns trade would have looked like a huge win for us, especially when Sweat and Chase Young were had for way less. Fitterer was fired because literally every move he made caused us to be worse. He needed a Burns to LA trade haul to give him something good to highlight. A GM who is rebuilding collects future draft picks and has a plan. We didn’t do that and we clearly had no plan and his execution sucked.

Umm, did you miss the posts after this? It’s been reported that only Souleman was a dissenting voice that said take the Rams picks. Morgan was in agreement to not take the picks.

Still boggles my mind that people couldn’t see how good that deal was. We laid out all the picks and cap savings and still some people said they’d rather have Burns. SMH. Burns or Hunt + Lewis for the same cost/cap, Avila (G Rams took, probably don't sign Lewis), Verse (DE Rams took) and of course their 2025 1st (tankathon has Shavon Revel Jr CB). Still amazes me how much people overrate our players. Franchise changing trade we declined to get a complimentary RB for Chuba.

If Dan and Souleman both disagreed, they might have turned Fitterer.

Sorry, but it’s been reported by Person that Dan was in agreement of passing on the trade. Souleman was the only dissenting voice, likely because no soon to be $30M non-QB ever gets that much. Even the awful GM Bill O’Brien paid less for Tunsil than what we turned down for Burns because the Texans got two picks back.

Yep. I’m happy he isn’t Mingo/TMJ level but the body catching has to stop. I’m not going to die on the drop stats but we wouldn’t be talking about his hands if it hasn’t been noticeable.

Kudos to Morgan? I’d give him kudos if he didn’t agree with Fitterer to not trade him to the Rams. He made lemonade from the lemon, but we were offered filet mignon.

Not this year. LB is crazy high unless you can guarantee he’s exactly like Kuechly which is impossible. Also, edge rusher is a no go in this draft. There are some DT/CBs that could go that high but there is no one close to a Bosa, Garrett, Hutchinson, etc. If I had a hope, it would be somehow lucking into Travis Hunter to play CB and use occasionally on offense. Graham at DE opposite Brown could be fun as well. He's the only DL I’ve seen consistently at the top of the rankings. CBS had him 3rd preseason and 4th mid season so he’s been consistently at the top, which is nice to see. He also just turned 21 in September, which I’m a fan of rather than picking so many older rookies that still have to develop.

They can, but Legette has had more drops than 4 IMHO. I’m assuming they aren’t labeling “tougher” catches like today’s miss as a drop. IMHO, a first round WR needs to make that catch. That’s what makes someone a top WR, making tough catches in key moments.

His drop today went right through his hands. The defender was there but only Legette had a chance at the ball. There was no contest, it was a perfectly thrown ball.

Sorry, but these seem suspect. It feels like he’s had at least 4 just in Young’s recent starts. Just like today, we’ve overcome them but 4 for this season seems low. I don’t think there would have been a thread on his drops if he was just average. Luckily for us, we got a 1st on 4th down because Legette’s drop could have been a game losing drop.

Agree. I was really impressed with Young. First time I felt like he was possibly good enough. The Thielen PI in the end zone was a solid pass and the drop by Legette was a perfect pass. He was on point today, more accurate than I ever recall before. Heck, he was even making decent decisions when no one was open. Sucked to lose but damn fun game to watch, especially the drive to tie it.

I don’t think starting rookies = tank per se. We’ve been starting lots of rookies every year since Rhule started. That’s been more of an indictment of how bad our talent pool has gotten. Trading Burns, Diontae, Mingo (lol) and just finally being sellers by not giving up our talent for a crappy QB is more tanking. Hopefully, we don’t somehow screw it up because damn if there aren’t a poo ton of bad teams this year. Last year we got the number 1 pick, which wasn’t ours anyway, by 2 games. 2nd worst team had 4 wins. There might be 6-7 teams with 3 or less wins this year.

That order is wrong. That’s based on standings, not on SOS (lower the better). We are 8th right now on Tankathon but the bye weeks mess it up a bit. We have the 2nd lowest SOS among the 3 win teams so we are basically 6th if we don’t win again. It will be tonight to get by NE who has 3 wins with a lower SOS and a tough schedule. The nice thing is that the four 2 win teams play a bunch of games with each other. Jax plays Tennessee twice and Jax also plays both the Raiders and the Giants. The Giants also play Dallas. Only Jax has a lower SOS so it would benefit us if Jax loses out. We’d then likely be 3rd unless NE squeezes one out maybe Buffalo week 18 will rest starters. If we can stay at 3 wins, doable aside from the Cowboys, we will have a good pick. It would be nice if we can hop over the Giants and Raiders. I’m not a huge fan of this year’s QBs so it would be nice to stock some more picks for a trade up.

Wow, Cleveland was actually one of the 2 win teams that I didn’t think we could get by draft wise because they didn’t have any bad teams left. When we lose to KC we’ll be at 6.

Has there been a single kick after the snowing? I’ve only seen going for two. Just wondering why they didn’t kneel and kick the 20 yarder. I’m assuming that’s so close that it would be very to make.

You couldn’t see it by Winston got hit way after he released the ball with no flag. I certainly didn't hear the announcers explain exactly why it was an egregious roughing the passer call.

Who do you have to pay to be one of those select teams that gets a TD every game because of the refs? I wish we were one of those teams back when we were a playoff team.

Not when the refs continue to gift them 1st downs. That roughing the passer was iffy at best and the drive would have been over. 1st and goal play loses yardage, let’s call unsportsmanlike penalty and 1st and goal at the 3.

I would suggest checking now and then not looking again until week 1 next year.

But they look like they may have found a QB and all of a sudden they are in games against the Rams and beat up the Bears who throttled us 36-10. Having a QB that can win you games makes a huge difference than a QB who’s being protected from making multiple red zone interceptions like Daniel Jones.

I agree. Take the Giants, for example. There was a thread about how our 3 rookie WRs/TEs had more yards than Nabers, but they have Nabers, Wandale and Johnson as three 23 (Coker is 23) and under receivers that I would take over ours, mainly because Nabers is a stud. Heck, Jones is absolutely the reason why we beat the Giants. A good QB and we lose easily. We’ve got some decent young guys, but we are missing a lot and let’s be honest our young guys can be good, but I am not sure I see above average yet, which is top 10 or 12 in the NFL.

That’s not real tanking to ask the team and coaches to lose on purpose. Honestly, I don’t think you really can do that. Remember Doug Pederson getting fired? That was so ridiculously obvious that he put a trash QB in to lose on purpose to improve their draft pick. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it outside of that one game and it got the coach fired and that wasn’t players not trying. That was putting in a QB who had no business ever playing. You see real tanking in the NBA and MLB every year, although the NFL’s trade deadline is getting more active lately.