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I agree he was the most frustrating but I don't think it was because he was so "bad" per se, but because it's easy to see how if he just had a bit of guts how much better he could be. He could easily be a Goff/Cousins level QB if he just didn't play terrified. I honestly don't think those guys are a bit more talented than he is and I have to admit that his actual arm strength was better than I expected. Still below average for an NFL QB but not the total liability level I fully expected. His utter conservativeness is a far bigger liability than his physical throwing ability.

It's gonna be hilarious when someone makes an alt just to take you up on this bet.

We can't trade for a QB then let Samuel walk and trade Anderson. At today's WR prices, Anderson was a pretty good bargain.

Hell, if they'd go for Shaq and/or Teddy I'd do backflips.

I'd prefer it be for three 1sts straight up, but all the talk has been that the Texans wants picks and a player(s). If that's the case, I'd rather it be CMC than someone like Burns simply due to positional value. I'd rather it be CMC than someone like Chinn simply due to the reality that Chinn still has three years left on a cheap rookie contract. I'd rather it be CMC than someone like Moore again due to positional value. What I will say though is that if CMC is part of the deal then IMO re-signing Samuel becomes borderline critical. Samuel filled in for CMC in a lot of ways last year.

Yeah, in that scenario I'd be okay with it. I'm just not completely convinced Samuel is going to be highly sought after. It's going to take someone who is willing to use him creatively like we have. If you just line him up as a WR and ask him to play a traditional WR type role you're gonna get hit with some significant buyer's remorse IMO.

Some of those names make no sense IMO. Ertz looks shot and I'd rather just pay and keep Samuel than go after Crowder.

Yep. Listen, I'm pissed we won that game. It really fuged us. But 90% of the blame is on Rivera and his terrible decision. The other 10% is on Haskins and him being terrible. Rivera played a terrible QB when his team was fighting for their playoff life. I mean, Ron Rivera and awful depth chart decisions kinda go hand in hand. We lose that game if he had simply played Heinicke the full game. With Ron choosing to play Haskins there wasn't much we could do to lose that game that wouldn't have been Eagles level blatant tanking and I'm not even confident that would've worked. Haskins was THAT bad.

Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying it IS a red flag, but it's definitely something I'd be talking to him about during the interview process and if I had guys on my staff with any connections to that Oregon staff I'd be talking to them about it too just to get their take on it. Hell, I'd go so far as to feign interest in some other Oregon prospect of I had to just to get the opportunity to throw a Shough question at them

Shough flipped in October. Howell didn't commit until December. Howell was actually committed to FSU at the time so I doubt Howell had anything to do with Shough's decision. I assume both of those decisions were related to the coaching situation at UNC. Fedora was heavily rumored to be fired by UNC leaving Shough not knowing who he might be playing for likely leading him to flipping to Oregon. Mack Brown was hired right before Thanksgiving and a couple of weeks later Howell flips from FSU to UNC. I only see the flip flopping as potentially red flag worthy when it becomes a pattern. Burrow was a transfer. Fields is a transfer. The way guys are transferring around these days it's going to likely become more and more common.

It's kinda getting red flag level on Shough. He was originally committed to UNC. Switched to Oregon. And now he's transferring from Oregon? That's a lot of wishy washiness going on.

Some of these guys are just so arrogant that they can't see anything beyond "muh system".

I hope the Oregon coaches watched him this year and realized how dumb they were for treating him with kid gloves and putting him in an offense with training wheels on it.

If SF moves on from Jimmy G, I'd bet a lot of money on him ending up back in NE.

Go for it. I was wrong about Herbert but in my defense, I fully admitted that I could only judge him based on his play in that offense. I never dreamed a coaching staff would've been so dumb to handcuff a guy who had his ability. Like I said at the time, I had to assume that it was because they didn't trust him with more.

I mean, Fitts said we'd be in on every deal. It never hurts to call and check the temperature. Honestly, that may have been done before we really even did our homework on Wentz and fully broke down his tape from last season. Why bother if you know the price tag is more than you're willing to pay?

I'm just jealous thinking about that level of relief. A good long piss, a sneeze, and an epic fart? All at the same time. That's living right there.

I'd honestly be surprised at even that. I think the entire league expects Teddy and the Panthers to part ways and no one else is interested in Teddy with that contract attached to him. I honestly think it's a Goff situation where he would have negative trade value. We'd literally have to pay someone to take him.

You can't be this dense. The value of the DRAFT PICK is not altered by the PLAYER that is selected at that spot. The draft pick value is the draft pick value. If you have a Hurney who botches it that doesn't make the pick itself any less valuable. By your logic, we should be trading all of our picks straight up for lower picks because hell, we might draft a bust anyway so let's lessen our cap exposure. The reason I'm not considering your point is because it's without merit.

You're not understanding the concept. Draft pick value is real. That is real team building capital. You can make the picks, you can trade the picks, more draft capital means more options. What you're arguing is like saying that you'd just as well rather have less money in the bank because there's a chance you'll piss it all away anyway so why bother? It's just not an intelligent argument to make.

Having a pick higher in the draft order isn't an unknown factor in terms of draft capital.

The draft has been and always will be a complete crap shoot to a certain degree. But there's a reason why the draft pick value chart exists and why the points are skewed heavily toward the top of the draft. The higher you are in the draft order, the better your odds of landing a difference maker. This isn't a difficult concept.

Please stop, Marty.

The " win every game no matter what" crowd isn't interested in logic. There's rarely logic in claiming moral high ground in sports fandom.