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I would be drafting a qb this draft because the rookie draft is much cheaper than bringing in a good vet and we could have our starter and backup both on rookie contracts. We could also develop both and trade one away for more draft picks. Canales has shown he has some ability to develop qbs so why not give him the talent he needs. The QB position is the most expensive to retain so having cheaper options through the draft seems a good idea.

It makes sense to draft a qb high next draft given how important the position is and how expensive it is to retain them after their rookie contract. Bryce can compete and help mentor a rookie who will try to take his job. It won't be a wasted pick as we will have our starter and backup both on rookie contracts. We also have the option

So stats matter when we talk offense and how Young is not that great but the defense is great even though the stats are terrible. We are 31st in yards surrendered at 384 yards and 32 in touchdowns allowed at 44. We have given up the most points in the NFL in the last 2 minutes of a half meaning we aren't clutch. . We are 12th in passing defense and 32nd in rush defense. We are 32nd in points allowed at almost 30 points a game. We are 26th in red zone defense. I can't see anything that suggests our defense is anything but bottom five if you actually look at the numbers. Yes we have had our share of injuries and that matters but let's be real. Evero's zone defense needs pressure on the qb to work and until the last few weeks it was nonexistent. And that soft prevent defense he uses on third down and in the 2 minute defense is a joke. Truth is I would be fine moving on from Evero and finding something with a more aggressive scheme.

We don't have to worry about picking up a 5th year option for another 2 years let alone an extension. Unless he is amazing we won't be extending early. No urgency at all. Mahomes didn't even play until year 2 and Love sat the bench for years.

With Legette dropping everything he was a big drive killer. And remember that running from the hurry up can break plays as they expect you to pass.

Look at the Eagles they were blitzing a lot but it makes you play zone behind it which plays to Bryces strengths. As I said the advantages are the defense will have difficulty dialing up exotic blitzes or stunts. So even if they bring pressure it will be manageable. Second, they can't substitute defenders situational and you can catch them off guard. Now the qb has to be somewhat elusive and receivers have to be good at the scramble drill. But as long as you don't go constantly 3 and out which gives the defense no rest, it can be a good change of pace to ride momentum.

Exactly. Why not take advantage of that. They also can't substitute as easily.

Maybe it is just me but Bryce seems to flourish in the 2 min hurry up offense. What if we ran a hurry up offense more often. I know Canales likes the run heavy possession offense and there is nothing wrong with that but is it the best use of Bryce?

No one thought we were going to win a lot of games with Young this year with a first time head coach but we hoped for progress. Then we got hit with injuries and traded some players to the point our talent level was a real issue. Given that Canales has made us competitive and really improved Bryce (which is why he was hired) he has really done a good job. We are really on the right path and these guys play for our coaches and each other. Playing Philly and Dallas back to back will be great tests the next 2 weeks.

I don't think you can disqualify drafting a qb early until you see where you pick and who is available. With starting qbs earning 30 million a year and rookies having a rookie salary cap you aren't risking that much in drafting another guy to learn under Bryce or take over if he is better. Like drafting a middle to fill in linebacker high, you need quality athletes in positions that impact the play on their side of the ball on every down. It really is finding the best guy we can to move us forward.

He is a rookie and looked like it today. He has a lot of potential but is too inconsistent and doesn't play big. I hope Thielen can help XL progress like Dalton did for Young. Thielen was a force today and showed XL how it is done.

He went toe to toe with Mahomes one week and outplayed Mayfield the next. Bryce was pretty awful until a few weeks ago but sitting and watching how to play with Dalton in was an eye opener for Bryce. He saw the windows he has to hit, the quick passing to counter a blitz and how to audible calls. Right now today he was a top 10 QB watching other games. How he plays down the road is still up in the air. But you are way off base and living in the past. Catch up to the present.

Truth is this was the best outcome. Bryce was money in the 2 min drill and was clutch all day. And losing like this doesn't hurt our draft position. We weren't going anywhere. And it exposes Everos prevent zone which has resulted in us giving up more points in the last 2 minutes of a game than any other team.

Bryce did play the best game of his career but it isn't an anomaly as much as a progression in his understanding of the game and ability to translate what he knows to performance on the field. Dalton really helped him see what it takes to throw in NFL sized windows and he is letting it go trusting what he sees. I am enjoying his progress and really appreciating how Canales is bringing him along.

II told folks 2 weeks ago that Bryce has been making improvements in several components of his game like moving in the pocket and stepping up into pressure instead of bailing into sacks. Today he improved in anticipation and throwing to spots trusting his guys would be there. He made some fantastic throws under extreme duress having to throw the ball before the receiver had made his move to get open. He is developing chemistry with his receivers and they are playing for him. He looked like he belonged on the same field as Mahomes today. If this improvement continues he will be our guy or get us some good compensation. A win in either case.

I didn't read all 5 pages of responses but what I read is that Cam is still a free agent because he didn't sign his retirement papers. So taking him to Germany would be tampering. Retire and then see what happens. You can't go into the panther hall of fame if you are still eligible to play.

If you can't see the improvement there is no need for a discussion since you either have an agenda or no clue. Likely both.

The number 1 job of a QB is to not lose the game by making mistakes while feeding his players and scoring more points than the other guys by any means necessary. Bryce did what he needed to in order to win. He did his job. Was he great? No. But this team is going to run a lot and pass when necessary. No matter who is at quarterback.

I think anyone watching should see the improvement. He is moving much better in the pocket finding lanes to throw. When he feels pressure he is stepping up and looking downfield instead of bailing out into a sack. He is making throws he wouldn't attempt earlier because the window was small. Watching Andy he found out that tight windows are what you get in the NFL. He is more comfortable running and moving with the ball. And he is gaining confidence which is critical to success. I also think the line has improved to give him time to throw. And the rookie receivers are doing great and making Bryce look good

He is on a rookie contract and might be a decent backup quality player over time. But he isn't a starter right now. All he costs is a roster spot. No need to jump the gun let's see what happens. He hasnt watched instead of played in a long time. He isn't getting better playing and might benefit from sitting and wearing the headphones for a while. I thought we should have sat him last year but here we are.

I dont think you can do much evaluation of offensive players until we have a legitimate QB. Call me a Homer but I think Dalton will be a huge upgrade and make the offense look like an NFL style offense this week.

The key is letting Bryce make plays but not centering everything on him. Let him be the point guard and other guys do the heavy lifting as he distributes the ball and calls audibles. He can't do it all yet, maybe he never will, but he can be a critical cog in the offensive wheel and move the ball. I look at what Canales did with Mayfield and it gives me hope.

As to the question of who does Canales remind me of as a coach, it is Pete Carroll. That constant enthusiasm and positivity coupled with a desire to run the ball and be physical carried him to a lot of success. Hopefully Canales can replicate that here.

It doesn't take being a coach or player to see that this offense is worlds ahead of what we have seen under Rhule and Reich. When was the last time we used multiple motion looks pre-snap to manipulate the defense. And doing that in the preseason. I think previous coaches tried to simplify things to avoid mistakes. To the point defenses could easily exploit it especially with their poor use of talent as well. How many players have suddenly looked better than they did before. Add the upgrade in talent and the fact QBs often experience their biggest improvement between year 1 and 2. And you have a team that will be improved no doubt. The bigger question especially on the offensive side is given how behind we have been compared to competent offenses, will it translate to more wins? But Canales previous successes give me hope. Now let's see what happens.....

Given this is Canales first season any comparisons about the past are irrelevant. We have a completely new team and they picked him for the longterm. The only opinions that matter are Morgan and Canales. Maybe a major reason players didn't get better was due to a cavalcade of poor to middling coaches and fruit basket turnover. Let's see what he does and how he uses him before deciding whether it was a good move or not. Just saying, it is barely June.