Soul Rebel

We can't go wrong with either selection. Let the guys that get paid to know this stuff make the call. There's advantages and disadvantages to both prospects. I'm a CJ7 guy and if the organization called me while on the clock that highly anticipated Thursday night in April asking for me to break the tie, I would take Stroud. That being said, I would love Bryce here for the next decade as well. Pro-days are the only thing less indicative of a prospect than the combine...and I LOVE watching both.

I think what it will come down to is if the Panthers braintrust has these guys as equal for different reasons and truly happy with either one in their system, then a trade down with HOU is possible. We make it simple... #1 overall to HOU #2 overall + 2024 First Round Pick to CAR Houston probably ends up in the top-10 next year again and we do everything we can to move up for Harrison, Jr. or Egbuka with the Houston pick + whatever. Draft our TE1 of the future this year at 39 and have our future HOF WR next year. The Burrow/Chase model 2.0 in Carolina.

When healthy, it didn't seem like the coaching staff new how to use him properly last year. He was an ideal depth fit for Evero and Wash's D.

After hearing Fitts say that we are still looking for a "vertical speed guy", Chark and Hardman are the only two that fit the bill worth a WR2 spot. The rest are JAGs and I have to assume they aren't referring to Shi or Laviska. Chark is the bigger body with speed and closer potential to a WR1....though he's still a fringe guy and more of a high-end WR2. I think we end up with Hardman, who's only 25 and then get a guy like Tillman, Perry or Mingo in the draft to find our X.

2022 Thielen + Sanders + Hurst = 2477 yds 19 TDs 2022 DJ + Foreman + CMC (6 games) = 2498 yds 15 TDs It sucked to lose DJ, a fan favorite, but.... We moved from 9 --> 1 A new franchise QB1 is finally in our sights A competent, loaded coaching staff at the helm Still room to add another WR and/or TE Cap flexibility in '24 (though it is starting to dwindle) It's a great time to be a Panthers fan. Thielen will thrive here as a WR2 in '23 if he can stay healthy....probably becomes the WR3 in '24 and then is off the roster in '25. No reason to think he can't put up 50-750-7TD next year.

Well, Young and Kyler's measurements and concerns leading up to the draft are quite similar. They are absolutely different types of QBs.... Kyler is mobile/hyper-athletic with a more lively arm. Young is more of a pocket passer with insane IQ and touch. Both were highly successful in college and worthy of the #1 overall selection. Check out Kyler being drafted and what is being said leading up to the selection and once he's drafted....sound familiar? Young's playing weight is probably closer to 195 than 205. This will have to increase and probably take until 2024 before he hits that marker. The height you can figure out....the frame/weight is the bigger concern. The NFL is faster, stronger, smarter and windows are tighter.

Yeah, that was an outburst for sure. It also fired him up....and then he scored three TDs that day.

I thought it was more about injuries and underperforming based on being a top-15 selection. That DEN offense hasn't been the most well-comanded offense since he arrived. I think the entire WR unit was pretty frustrated with last year's guidance. Jeudy's route running, speed and youth is worth #39 IMO. You're not finding a talent like him in that draft slot.

Agree 100% on TMJ stepping up with this coaching staff. Brown and Jefferson will have him primed for big time....def a RZ threat for a young QB. I'm of the opinion that Shenault should be more of a Patterson/Harvin type of weapon then be depended upon for a heavy WR workload. Gadgety guy that should have been used more out of the backfield...especially with Sanders threatening back there. If we could bring in someone like Sutton and have two big-bodied targets with he and TMJ that would be outstanding. Then snag Flowers in the draft....we would be in great shape.

I'm good on all these vet WRs. All over 30, banged up and would only be part of our org for 2....maybe 3 years max. Nuk is the only one I can get onboard with, but he's going to cost a pretty penny in draft assets and $$. I'd prefer to go the Burrow route.... draft his comp - CJ Stroud and build young WRs to grow with him and around him. A guy like Jeudy or Sutton makes more sense if you want a vet. Sutton is a towering guy that is 27 with an 1100 yd season under his belt and three 700+ yd season. Jeudy is a precision route runner with 4.4 speed, and only 23 who hit 970yds-6TD last year. OBJ and Landry bring way too much drama to a young locker room that isn't competing for a deep playoff/SB run. I lowkey wouldn't mind bringing in Hardman/Chark and also signing someone like Marquez Callaway on the cheap. Put up 700yds & 6TDs in '21 and was overshadowed by Olave/Thomas last year.

Takes pressure off Mays to be "thee guy" too. I'm sure the vet presence will help Mays in TC.

I wonder if the snag with guys like Thielen and Chark are their injury history and us needing to backload their deals due to our cap in '23. It might pose a conundrum for Carolina with oft-injured talent on short deals. Hardman has also had his injuries in the past too....same with Sutton. Campbell just got a one-year deal in NY.

We needed depth to hold down the fort until Corbett is ready, so not mad about this if it's for peanuts. Def not the signing I was hoping for today, but makes sense.

It's like someone said earlier in the eval process..... A coach can risk being fired over Anthony Richardson. If you select him and he busts, you're fired. If you don't select him and he becomes the next great QB, you better hope "your guy" is a franchise QB or else.

Too much....unless we're sending back #39. I'll take #33 and maybe toss a sixth back in it to make it a bit more balanced. With 33 and 39 we can make some moves or add two talented starters. Especially if we give up #39 for Jeudy. It may not come to fruition, but these smokescreens, though they seem all over the place, can't hurt. Worst case, we pick our guy at 1.

Exactly. You keep DJ, move up to 3 and are still getting one of Stroud, Young, AR...possibly the '25 second rounder too.

One of Jeudy, Sutton, Moore, Chark, Hardman, Thielen or Nuk will be a Panther by this weekend. Something is in the works...we just don't know what.

Well, Casillas' guy posted something around this time after the meeting earlier this week from CLT airport. I know we have nobody at the airport, but if Chark were to sign, I'm guessing he would still be at Mint St. hammering out deals currently. Should hopefully hear something either way in the next couple of hours. EDIT: I'm on PST, so for the NC folks, it would be 2:31 EST.

I doubt Chark will ever be a WR1 though he has the most potential of this group given his size and speed. I think our true WR1/shiny new toy for our new QB is not going to be found during FA/trades. Potentially in the draft, but 2024 is the year to find that guy. In the mean time, I'll take a shot on a 6'4" 4.3 WR that, when healthy, can be a 70-1100-8TD guy. Still prefer Hardman over him, but will be stoked if we land either of them.

Love it. Arguably the top WR in FA too....he and Meyers were 1A and 1B. Didn't Chark and Laviska play together in JAX?

Please don't take this as me wanting to trade Chinn, but I wonder if there have been talks about us trading Chinn to DEN for one of their WRs. I think Chinn will THRIVE in Evero's D, but others might see the past two years and the current roster and wonder if he's expendable. He's also a UFA in '24, so if he balls out in Evero's scheme, could be a big payday awaiting. We'll have the money, but just trying to look at all sides.