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i could understand him being on a leash for the first 2-3 years....but after that, it was all him. Unless he just couldn't be trusted to run the team after that then you have to wonder, why keep him at all? Sorry, I just don't buy the whole 'first time coach' argument/excuse for him. You can either do the job or you can't. There's no reason we should stick with any coach longer than 5 years if we haven't achieved success (meaning a ring) by then. Most HCs who win a Superbowl are able to win it with in their first gig as a HC and within 5 (typically within 3) years of their first year as HC with a team. Only exception in the last 25+years to it taking longer than 5 years as HC with their team being Bill Cowher.

Looks like someone had their Cheerios pissed in today.

Both peaked in the superbowl. Fox's team did make a game of it and dealt well with adversity. Rivera's team wasn't ready to handle it and couldn't adjust when they needed to. Rivera let the team get overwhelmed. Both coaches took a downward turn after the superbowl though. Fox let it go to his head and got stagnant real quick, seeing no need to improve. Rivera was in over his head from the beginning and were it not for Cam and Luke, would have never made it as far as he did.

It was more the rule than you realize. Fox was notorious for not exploiting other teams weaknesses, but the worst was his complete inability or unwillingness to adapt the gameplan when things went south. He was not a good game manager at all...but it could be argued he was better than Rivera. Even with that, they both sucked at that.

The better CBs won't always have much in the way of stats. If they shut their man down, they won't have many opportunities to get PDs and INTs.

It tells me that ultimately he and fox were the same lame coach.

He benched cam for not wearing a tie. He had it his way.

Good point. It's kind of like discussing which turd smells worse.

Fox like his "cagey old vets". He had no desire to groom a young QB....ever. any young QB he was put with was against his wishes. As bad as Rivera was, Fox was worse...but not much worse.

Oh yeah...I keep forgetting about him and I should probably be thinking about dump offs to tremble as well

I don't hate him. I just think his best days are far behind them and we wasted them.

Rivera is a chump coach. I feel safe saying that.

Not from me. Chube makes him expendable.

I don't know. They can probably get away with the FB. Clarke may be hard, to keep. I don't know that they should use more than 3 or 4 spots on RB/FB.

Probably correct here with Clarke (RB) and Stokke (FB) heading to the PS (both of which have a ton of potential).

Best coach in our history. But the bar is pretty low. Again, 3 winning seasons out of 9. That's not something to be proud of. It's something to get better than.

No matter what he does or where he goes, he's always got one foot pushing on the brake.

Cannot frikkin wait. Sammy to Robby Sammy to CMC Sammy to DJ Sammy to the other Moore Sammy to Terrace Sammy to Chube Sammy to Shi Sammy Sam Sam.

Hoping for more makes me a fan

The fact that he only had 3 winning seasons out of 9 says a lot about him.

Should be a fun 6 games for the two of them and I'm sure Jones will love those ducks getting lobbed to him

Addition by subtraction. It's a real thing.