Cam's new weapons

[updownsigma]

Some of you seem to forget that offense and defense have an effect on each other. If the panthers had chud last year and ran his bs (drives that last 2 minutes) the defense wouldn't have been ranked nearly as high due to being on the field forever.

I definitely think the offense needs to improve but I don't think it was anywhere near as bad as some posters choose to believe.

 

Average drive lengths:

 

2011 - 2:42, 7th in NFL

2012 - 2:44, 9th in NFL

2013 - 3:00, 2nd in NFL

 

That's a mild but not huge improvement.  We still could have been a top 5 defense and have had a much better offense with Chud.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Check the offensive time of possession and then come back and compare.

That's stat is overblown and only used by fans of teams who have a struggling offense. Yes, it's nice to be able to control the clock but it's not the end all be all reason that we magically turned around our season.

By the way your Super Champion Seahawks are in the bottom half of the league in TOP but they realize their defense is good enough that they can rely on it even if they score quickly.

It would be one thing if we were the Saints (who are number one in TOP) and had the ability to score any time our offense is on the field, but we're not and for the most part out offense struggled last year outside of Cam Newton. Take away his game winning drives against the Dolphins, Patriots, and Saints and we're 9-7.

And don't try if credit Shula with those game winning drives, that was all Cam.

[jayflip]

Um... We didn't save money by cutting Steve Smith

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We saved a crap-ton of money, just not this year. The final two years of his Hurndawg contract would have paid him 17trillion dollars per week.

Also, everyone is using i.e. wayyyy too much up in here. i.e. is an abbreviation for a Latin phrase, meaning "that is." It's not used for listing examples; it's used for clarifying a statement. Think of it as "in essence" or "in other words." For listing examples you should use e.g. instead. All I'm sayin' is I'm just sayin'...

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[FootballMaestro]

Average drive lengths:

 

2011 - 2:42, 7th in NFL

2012 - 2:44, 9th in NFL

2013 - 3:00, 2nd in NFL

 

That's a mild but not huge improvement.  We still could have been a top 5 defense and have had a much better offense with Chud.

 

Wow!

 

If that's true, it's obvious the offense was lacking pieces last year. Cause though time time of possession standing didn't take a big jump, the offensive standings did (though you can probably argue the Panthers were more efficient in 2013, making more of their possessions). 

 

So hopefully, this year, the Panthers can kill two birds with one stone?

[Cj72]

That's stat is overblown and only used by fans of teams who have a struggling offense. Yes, it's nice to be able to control the clock but it's not the end all be all reason that we magically turned around our season.

By the way your Super Champion Seahawks are in the bottom half of the league in TOP but they realize their defense is good enough that they can rely on it even if they score quickly.

It would be one thing if we were the Saints (who are number one in TOP) and had the ability to score any time our offense is on the field, but we're not and for the most part out offense struggled last year outside of Cam Newton. Take away his game winning drives against the Dolphins, Patriots, and Saints and we're 9-7.

And don't try if credit Shula with those game winning drives, that was all Cam.

So if there were no game winning drives it would have been shulas fault but since there were it was all cam??? I'm far from being shulas biggest fan but wow, talk about shifting blame to fit your agenda!!

[PandaPancake]

I read this whole thread for no payoff. I deserve a nap. Wake me up in August

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[CarolinaPanthers8789]

So if there were no game winning drives it would have been shulas fault but since there were it was all cam??? I'm far from being shulas biggest fan but wow, talk about shifting blame to fit your agenda!!

You obviously didn't see the original post that started this...

Shula 12-4, Chud 13-19

If you want to give Shula all the credit for wins in which he called a good game, then I'm going to give Cam all the credit in games when he called a horrendous game and we still managed to win.

We were in the hurry up offense in the final stages of all of those games I mentioned, my guess is it was Cam calling the plays..

[tiger7_88]

I also think many will be pleasantly surprised how our OTs play

 

 

I'm gonna be from Missouri when it comes to the OTs.

 

I hope for at least adequate.

[panthersphan]

I'm so excited for this offense.

Love seeing everyone complain about our off-season, usually that translates into a productive season.

When was the last time the off-season winner won anything in the regular season?

This years O will be better, simple as that! And with a rookie 1st round WR!

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[Brothergrim427]

I support the panthers because they are the panthers regardless of roster I love my carolina cats ^_^ lol had to leave a positive post

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[iamhubby1]

Um... We didn't save money by cutting Steve Smith

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Um...If we had picked up Smitty's option, we would be on the books for almost 26mil over the next 3 years. In my economy that is a whole lotta money.

 

 

Still doesn't explain the changes that Rivera made. Remember most people had thrown in the towel on Shula and Rivera after the Buffalo game.

Ron Rivera dies after the Buffalo game. Riverboat Ron was then born. That is the main change in the team. We became a more aggressive team. We definitely became a better team after Buffalo.

 

 

The offense was bad ie bottom half of the league. Anything less than a top 10 O and D is unacceptable. 

 

With how good our D is we should be scoring 30 points a game. ie more stops / better field position / more possessions etc.

Wow, just wow at the lack of football acumen in this post. With the way our Offense is set up, we don't have the possessions to score that many points every game. You do realize other teams play Defense as well? We would have to score on damm near every possession to score that many points.

Our team is not set up to play Madden type football. Sorry if that is unacceptable to you.

Two things this thread never addressed. 1) Cam had the option to audible last year. So saying he had no say in the Offense is just not correct.

2) Cam, for the last year and a half, has learned that the "Check-Down" is his friend. So even if the original play is a deep vertical play, he has learned to take what the Defense has given him.

2 points that are integral to our success. Yet no one seems to grasp them. I guess that makes me the smartest one in the room. lol

[*FreeFua*]

@DNewtonespn: Proehl keeps telling us not to forget Bersin, so I keep reminding.

[Argus Plexus]

Shula will find a way to tie an anvil to this thoroughbred's ankle.

[updownsigma]

Wow!

 

If that's true, it's obvious the offense was lacking pieces last year. Cause though time time of possession standing didn't take a big jump, the offensive standings did (though you can probably argue the Panthers were more efficient in 2013, making more of their possessions). 

 

So hopefully, this year, the Panthers can kill two birds with one stone?

 

Source:

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/

 

Also, regarding the points per drive:

 

2011 - 2.21, 4th in the NFL

2012 - 1.91, 11th 

2013 - 1.99, 10th

 

So you could say we made more of our possessions in 2013 than in 2012, but less than in 2011.