Us sucking D on Defense, is it the coaches or the talent?

[iamcline]

Definitely talent.  Secondary is sooooooo bad.

[Bj-Monster23]

Yep. It's a talent thing and age thing. Mitchell and Captain were average in coverage but were very young and quick and could make up for misreads. Harper and Decoud are too old and slow

Decoud and Mitchell would've been a better duo at safety then Decoud and Harper.

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[CharlottePanther]

Charles Johnson needs to be cut

[pstall]

A great pass rush can easily mask a bad secondary. Not the other way around.

[KendrickPanther]

The biggest problem is the pass rush and stopping the run. We are designed to put teams in 3rd and long. Then on 3rd down we force a quick pass and make the tackle or get the sack. 

 

Right now we are losing on 1st and 2nd down. Andy Dalton had all day to pick us apart. Thomas Decoud takes bad angles. We depend on Decoud as the last line of defense if we bust a gap and he can't do it. 

 

At one point Andy Dalton converted like a 1st and 15 on the read option because we played it so terribly. That was like Jordan getting dunked on by Matt Carrol.

 

Hugh Jackson is a brilliant football mind and he whipped Ron schematically.

[mcdougal]

But didn't we spend 3/4 of our last top picks on the dline? This has to be on coaching.

[Snake]

People really don't understand why Hardy meant so much to us. If I was a betting man I would bet he was back next year on a "pay as you play" deal. Johnson can be replaced but hardy is proving he can't at this point.

[AU-panther]

I think the loss of Hardy had a greater effect on this defense then a lot on here want to admit. We are at our best when our front four is creating pressure on their own.

[Snake]

The biggest problem is the pass rush and stopping the run. We are designed to put teams in 3rd and long. Then on 3rd down we force a quick pass and make the tackle or get the sack.

Right now we are losing on 1st and 2nd down. Andy Dalton had all day to pick us apart. Thomas Decoud takes bad angles. We depend on Decoud as the last line of defense if we bust a gap and he can't do it.

At one point Andy Dalton converted like a 1st and 15 on the read option because we played it so terribly. That was like Jordan getting dunked on by Matt Carrol.

Hugh Jackson is a brilliant football mind and he whipped Ron schematically.

Shame those two minds could not exist together...

[Brooklyn Bully]

Talent, but not only because we lack Hardy. We'd still have issues. It's because we lost some good guys and replaced them with average or lesser talent and expect them to gel right away and play the same way the previous squad did.

[CPantherKing]

It's the coaches inability to call a defense with the personnel they have. They fall back into calling a defense that relies on defensive pressure from the DEs. They have a secondary that needs pressure on the QB.

 

So you need DEs who require double teams, or you commit 5 at the line of scrimmage to win the numbers game.

[KendrickPanther]

Shame those two minds could not exist together...

 

Yeah Hugh is known as a jackass but damn can he put a game plan together. He's so good at attacking the weakness of a D. He had to call his doctor because Charles Godfrey gave him a 4 hour wood.

[jfo89]

Harper and DeCoud take the shittiest angles. Cason lacks speed and physicality. Our DB's are not getting off blocks and even when they do they're taking bad angles. Hopefully the safeties will both have good games against their former teams because that's their biggest value right now.

[KendrickPanther]

I think the loss of Hardy had a greater effect on this defense then a lot on here want to admit. We are at our best when our front four is creating pressure on their own.

 

Well yeah. But Charles Johnson isn't playing well independent of that. He's losing 1v1 on nearly every play. Maybe he's hurt but we need him to step up, he hasn't.