Jaworski believes the Bucs will take Mariota

[Snake]

The Hardy and Rice incidents will have an indirect impact on the Panthers in a good way. The Bucs won't draft Winston because of the public relations issues, and he'll go on to become an elite QB for some AFC team. Thanks Greg.

 

Honestly, Winston is going to end up on the list at some point. Dude has all the tools but screams Ryan Leaf.

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What I find funny is how they say Winston is s better QB coming out of college. Winston 25-18 Newton 30-7 TD/Int ratio

 

People need to understand what they are draft pundits and analyst are trying to say in that regard.

 

 

 

As a pro prospect coming out of college Jameis is better. Besides having all of the prototypical physical traits you want in a QB, as a freshman/sophomore he was already consistently throwing WRs open, looking off of safeties, and calling his own audibles/diagnosing defenses at the line of scrimmage.

 

 

 

Newton played in an offense at Auburn where

 

-he looked to the sideline at a bunch of jumbo cards for the plays calls and audibles instead of diagnosing the defense himself.

 

-he did not utilize a playbook at Auburn

 

-the offense he played in did not translate to the NFL. A lot of what you did see on tape made teams have to project what you could possibly be much like Mariota.

 

-Verbiage, like a lot of guys that played in the spread they have never called a play in the huddle.

 

 

 

 

There was more guess work behind Newton than Winston. You should not use raw stats to project what a QB can be. Go look at Geno Smith and The Golden Calf of Bristol stats at WVU and UF and go look at what they did in the league........all QBs that played in a spread offense put up ridiculous numbers and TD/ints ratio numbers that are very misleading.

[DaveThePanther2008]

People need to understand what they are draft pundits and analyst are trying to say in that regard.

 

 

 

As a pro prospect coming out of college Jameis is better. Besides having all of the prototypical physical traits you want in a QB, as a freshman/sophomore he was already consistently throwing WRs open, looking off of safeties, and calling his own audibles/diagnosing defenses at the line of scrimmage.

 

 

 

Newton played in an offense at Auburn where

 

-he looked to the sideline at a bunch of jumbo cards for the plays calls and audibles instead of diagnosing the defense himself.

 

-he did not utilize a playbook at Auburn

 

-the offense he played in did not translate to the NFL. A lot of what you did see on tape made teams have to project what you could possibly be much like Mariota.

 

-Verbiage, like a lot of guys that played in the spread they have never called a play in the huddle.

 

 

 

 

There was more guess work behind Newton than Winston. You should not use raw stats to project what a QB can be. Go look at Geno Smith and The Golden Calf of Bristol stats at WVU and UF and go look at what they did in the league........all QBs that played in a spread offense put up ridiculous numbers and TD/ints ratio numbers that are very misleading.

 18 Picks shows he has a habit of making BAD decisions. 

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18 Picks shows he has a habit of making BAD decisions.

On the surface yes but that does not tell the whole story. Jay Cutler, Andy Dalton, Geno Smith, Andrew Luck, Mark Sanchez, and many others did not have have a penchant for throwing ints in college but got to the league and had all sorts of problems turning the ball over. There is not direct correlation to whether or not throwing ints in college means you will do the same thing in the nfl.

Jameis more than anything imo suffered from depending on an inexperienced wr core this past season outside if Rashad Greene. The other Wrs he was throwing to besides Greene were true freshman and it showed on game day. He missed not having KB and Kenny shaw, 2 veteran wrs from 2013 that knew what they were doing.

[DaveThePanther2008]

On the surface yes but that does not tell the whole story. Jay Cutler, Andy Dalton, Geno Smith, Andrew Luck, Mark Sanchez, and many others did not have have a penchant for throwing ints in college but got to the league and had all sorts of problems turning the ball over. There is not direct correlation to whether or not throwing ints in college means you will do the same thing in the nfl.

Jameis more than anything imo suffered from depending on an inexperienced wr core this past season outside if Rashad Greene. The other Wrs he was throwing to besides Greene were true freshman and it showed on game day. He missed not having KB and Kenny shaw, 2 veteran wrs from 2013 that knew what they were doing.

 

Maybe so but with all three of them in 2013 he had 10 picks.  I have heard more than once that he has all the tools but under pressure makes bad decisions.   I saw a couple of those picks and they were bad, BAD throws.

 

Your opinion is he is a better QB coming out of College than Cam.   I don't agree.  While I do agree that Winston comes from a more Pro Ready offense and Cam didn't, it doesn't necessarily make him a better Pro Ready QB.   I can further my argument that Cam threw for nearly 850 yards(without much of an off-season) in his first two games as a pro.   Not too shabby.

[GoobyPls]

On the surface yes but that does not tell the whole story. Jay Cutler, Andy Dalton, Geno Smith, Andrew Luck, Mark Sanchez, and many others did not have have a penchant for throwing ints in college but got to the league and had all sorts of problems turning the ball over. There is not direct correlation to whether or not throwing ints in college means you will do the same thing in the nfl.

Jameis more than anything imo suffered from depending on an inexperienced wr core this past season outside if Rashad Greene. The other Wrs he was throwing to besides Greene were true freshman and it showed on game day. He missed not having KB and Kenny shaw, 2 veteran wrs from 2013 that knew what they were doing.

 

Go look as his picks almost of all them were thrown into double coverage. And he was lucky he didn't have about 30 int this past season.

 

And those to "inexperience WR" (Rudolph and Lane) would be starting in 70% of teams in the country, lucky for him they were only he still had an NFL WR and TE ahead of them.

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Go look as his picks almost of all them were thrown into double coverage. And he was lucky he didn't have about 30 int this past season.

And those to "inexperience WR" (Rudolph and Lane) would be starting in 70% of teams in the country, lucky for him they were only he still had an NFL WR and TE ahead of them.

Well I don't really need to go back and look at them because I saw every game Winston played in. Teams knew Rashad Greene was his only legit Wr and schemed for it. Where Jameis got in trouble was forcing the ball to Rashad Greene because he did not trust Lane and Rudolph. Freshman wrs don't do well in FSU offense and need at least 2 years to really get it (see KB). Lane and Rudolph will be good in time but played before they were ready because veteran wrs that were expected to step up this year (Christian Green and Haggins) did not and were benched.

Out of all the FBS QBs in the draft this year FSU Wr core led all in percentage for dropped passes. Hint and it was not because of Rashad Greene who has a drop rate of 3.88 (one of the lowest rates in the entire class and good enough to only be outdone by Jarvis Landry in the 2014 class if Greene had declared last year).

He certainly made bad decisions but it was not as black and white. He was really handicapped by inexperience and youth at Wr and bad interior OL play the first 9 games of the season.

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Maybe so but with all three of them in 2013 he had 10 picks. I have heard more than once that he has all the tools but under pressure makes bad decisions. I saw a couple of those picks and they were bad, BAD throws.

Your opinion is he is a better QB coming out of College than Cam. I don't agree. While I do agree that Winston comes from a more Pro Ready offense and Cam didn't, it doesn't necessarily make him a better Pro Ready QB. I can further my argument that Cam threw for nearly 850 yards(without much of an off-season) in his first two games as a pro. Not too shabby.

I get you, all I am saying is that pundits say Winston was a better prospect coming out of college than Cam was because there were more on the field question marks for Cam. Obviously Cam bucked the trend of spread QBs struggling in the NFL and has surprised just about everyone with how well he has played at times since entering the league.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Jaws is useless, his entire job is to create buzz and talking points out of nothing to fill the 24 hour news system we have nowadays

[GoobyPls]

Well I don't really need to go back and look at them because I saw every game Winston played in. Teams knew Rashad Greene was his only legit Wr and schemed for it. Where Jameis got in trouble was forcing the ball to Rashad Greene because he did not trust Lane and Rudolph. Freshman wrs don't do well in FSU offense and need at least 2 years to really get it (see KB). Lane and Rudolph will be good in time but played before they were ready because veteran wrs that were expected to step up this year (Christian Green and Haggins) did not and were benched.

Out of all the FBS QBs in the draft this year FSU Wr core led all in percentage for dropped passes. Hint and it was not because of Rashad Greene who has a drop rate of 3.88 (one of the lowest rates in the entire class and good enough to only be outdone by Jarvis Landry in the 2014 class if Greene had declared last year).

He certainly made bad decisions but it was not as black and white. He was really handicapped by inexperience and youth at Wr and bad interior OL play the first 9 games of the season.

 

So Nick O'Leary and the two most highly recruited receivers in the state of Florida weren't "legit" weapons? I get that they were inexperienced but the transition from HS to college isn't that much of a leap especially when your a 4 or 5 star recruit playing in an really weak conference. I saw Winston a lot of times over throw those guys

 

 

All I know is that Winston regressed heavily from 13 to 14, he was making bad decision after bad decision. And his line wasn't that bad at all, I specially remember the Miami game the only time Miami got pressure on him was when they send the blitz, when they would rush 4 UM couldn't even get a sniff of him.

 

Your basically implying of Winston doesn't play on a stacked team he's useless

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So Nick O'Leary and the two most highly recruited receivers in the state of Florida weren't "legit" weapons? I get that they were inexperienced but the transition from HS to college isn't that much of a leap especially when your a 4 or 5 star recruit playing in an really weak conference. I saw Winston a lot of times over throw those guys

All I know is that Winston regressed heavily from 13 to 14, he was making bad decision after bad decision. And his line wasn't that bad at all, I specially remember the Miami game the only time Miami got pressure on him was when they send the blitz, when they would rush 4 UM couldn't even get a sniff of him.

Your basically implying of Winston doesn't play on a stacked team he's useless

Uh no, that is not what I am saying at all.

2014 FSU may have a lot of draft prospects but that was a very flawed team.

- FSU had one of the worst rushing games in the country/ACC (was ranked 103rd before Dalvin Cook became the starter week 10 against Miami and then moved to 93rd in the country by the end of the season)

- FSU was 2nd in the nation in turnovers with 33 on the season

- FSU was ranked 61st in the country in total defense (which puts them at the 11th best defense in the ACC)

So basically FSU was one dimensional most of the year, turned the ball over a lot, and and had one of the worst defenses in its conference. So yeah, a lesser QB would have lost 4-5 games at FSU this past season......NOT go undefeated. All those comeback victories FSU had to pull of this season were on Winston. You have it backwards, FSU was basically useless without Winston.

[GoobyPls]

Uh no, that is not what I am saying at all.

2014 FSU may have a lot of draft prospects but that was a very flawed team.

- FSU had one of the worst rushing games in the country/ACC (was ranked 103rd before Dalvin Cook became the starter week 10 against Miami and then moved to 93rd in the country by the end of the season)

- FSU was 2nd in the nation in turnovers with 33 on the season

- FSU was ranked 61st in the country in total defense (which puts them at the 11th best defense in the ACC)

So basically FSU was one dimensional most of the year, turned the ball over a lot, and and had one of the worst defenses in its conference. So yeah, a lesser QB would have lost 4-5 games at FSU this past season......NOT go undefeated. All those comeback victories FSU had to pull of this season were on Winston. You have it backwards, FSU was basically useless without Winston.

 

With Winston at helm they were never going to have a strong running game to begin with, Winston throws it from the shotgun just as much as most spread offense QB's

 

A lot of those turnovers were on Winston

 

How can you expect a defense to be good when the offense keeps going 3 and out and turning the ball over?

 

FSU won 12 games with Manuel and 10 with Ponder and both those team didn't recruit nearly as good as they do now, if you stick a decent QB in FSU he could easily win around 11 games. They had to comeback in those game largely due to the fact that Winston was one of the worst first half QB's in all of college football.

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With Winston at helm they were never going to have a strong running game to begin with, Winston throws it from the shotgun just as much as most spread offense QB's

A lot of those turnovers were on Winston

How can you expect a defense to be good when the offense keeps going 3 and out and turning the ball over?

FSU won 12 games with Manuel and 10 with Ponder and both those team didn't recruit nearly as good as they do now, if you stick a decent QB in FSU he could easily win around 11 games. They had to comeback in those game largely due to the fact that Winston was one of the worst first half QB's in all of college football.

Dude a decent QB can't overcome not having a running game and a mediocre defense on top of having a turnover prone offense. You can't honestly sit there and believe that. FSU 2012 defense was ranked 5th in the country. FSU 2010 defense was ranked 40th. And neither of those teams were one of the worst rushing offenses in the country. FSU defense looked lost all season, it was not due to the offense it was due to the players not picking up/not buying into new Defensive Coordinator Charles Kelly scheme.

Your assertion that FSU was never going to have a strong running game because of Winston makes no sense. In 2013 FSU rushing game was ranked 28th in the country. FSU running game and interior pass blocking was so poor because of the loss of Bryan Stork at center. The same Bryan Stork that was an all American his sr year at FSU and started for the Patriots at center as a rookie on the their super bowl run. FSU was unable to replace him with Barron or Hoefield. They were so bad that Cam Erving was forced to move from LT to Center late in the season. Come to find out it was the best decision of Erving career because he absolutely killed it at center and allowed for Dalvin Cook to be one of the most dominant RBs in college football the final 5 games of the season.

[CarolinaCoolin]

Winston threw what, 18 picks last season?

5 of those said picks were ricochet passes not winston's fault.

So that's like 13 picks?

Last year cam had 12 soo...