2015 Carolina Panthers Draft - Watercooler Review

[Mr. Scot]

I like the fact that Gettle did not surrender next years picks...

 

Amen to that.

 

 

That comparison is incorrect. Shaq, who we didn't trade for, would still be considered a "quarter". Same would be said of Daryl and Mayo. So, it would be 3 quarters and 6 dimes.

Which is worth more than 5 quarters.

 

I was told there would be no math

 

 

Some of you have way too high of opinions of your scouting ability.

 

...or those of someone in the media.

[Mr. Scot]

Just for once could we please please please leave Marty Hurney out of damn discussions. My god let it go. Hurney brought us Cam, Luke, Kalil, TD, Olsen, CJ, Stewart. Basically the core of this damn team are Hurney guys. He had his faults but he assembled a pretty damn good core. All gettleman needs to do is navigate the cap and build a supporting cast around those guys. He was blessed with a franchise QB and a future hall of Famer quarterbacking his defense, thanks to Hurney. What other GM's walk into that type of luxury?? So let's stop taking shots at him in an attempt to build up Gettleman. You can do one without the other.

 

The situation Gettleman came into was luxury? 

 

Luxury prices, maybe.  Trailer park results.

 

Last time I checked, a team was still fifty-three plus players, not seven.  In Hurney's last season as GM, the good players you named worked with the rest of the squad to produce exactly one win for each player you named, most of which came after Hurney had already been fired.  Just to keep the math theme going, those seven wins came in a sixteen game season.  No playoffs, just like there hadn't been for the last four years.

 

Under Hurney, his "core" and the teams he built around them, we had one playoff appearance out of the last seven seasons, and that with a maxed out salary cap that was overpaying average players.  We've doubled that playoff tally in just two seasons, and in fact have yet to miss the playoffs with Gettleman as GM.  While at the same time, our salary cap situation is better than it's been in a long. long time.

 

Giving Hurney credit for anything more than a small portion of our current success is ludicrous.

[Jeremy Igo]

One draft pick left on the roster from 2011

That is abysmal.

[AceBoogie]

The situation Gettleman came into was luxury?

Luxury prices, maybe. Trailer park results.

Last time I checked, a team was still fifty-three plus players, not seven. In Hurney's last season as GM, the good players you named worked with the rest of the squad to produce exactly one win for each player you named, most of which came after Hurney had already been fired. Just to keep the math theme going, those seven wins came in a sixteen game season. No playoffs, just like there hadn't been for the last four years.

Under Hurney, his "core" and the teams he built around them, we had one playoff appearance out of the last seven seasons, and that with a maxed out salary cap that was overpaying average players. We've doubled that playoff tally in just two seasons, and in fact have yet to miss the playoffs with Gettleman as GM. While at the same time, our salary cap situation is better than it's been in a long. long time.

Giving Hurney credit for anything more than a small portion of our current success is ludicrous.

Gettleman came into a team with a franchise quarterback on the roster. Ask all of the gms still looking how lucky he was

[Mr. Scot]

Gettleman came into a team with a franchise quarterback on the roster. Ask all of the gms still looking how lucky he was

 

A franchise guy we got in the aftermath of a 2-14 season (courtesy of Hurney's drafting prowess) and who we might never have had if hurney had been successful in his attempts to trade up for Jimmy Clausen the year before.

 

A franchise guy whose first two squads couldn't even manage a .500 finish (6-10, 7-9) even with the "core" you listed.

 

And I'm enjoying the fact that someone who's b--ched relentlessly about how "Cam needs more and better weapons" can turn around and suggest that Gettleman had such a phenomenal "core" handed to him

 

(oh, no contradiction there, eh?)

 

Just in case you've forgotten, the "weapons" Hurney gave Cam were Joe Adams and Kealoha Pilares, and he invested in protecting him by drafting Amini Silatolu over Cordy Glenn.  That was one year after drafting Terrell McClain seven picks ahead of DeMarco Murray.

 

Man, I just can't get why people don't appreciate Marty Hurney more

[SCP]

Another positive difference in Dave and Marty, Dave did not trade away any future draft picks. He understands the value in keeping future picks.

[AceBoogie]

A franchise guy we got in the aftermath of a 2-14 season (courtesy of Hurney's drafting prowess) and who we might never have had if hurney had been successful in his attempts to trade up for Jimmy Clausen the year before.

A franchise guy whose first two squads couldn't even manage a .500 finish (6-10, 7-9) even with the "core" you listed.

And I'm enjoying the fact that someone who's b--ched relentlessly about how "Cam needs more and better weapons" can turn around and suggest that Gettleman had such a phenomenal "core" handed to him

(oh, no contradiction there, eh?)

Just in case you've forgotten, the "weapons" Hurney gave Cam were Joe Adams and Kealoha Pilares, and he invested in protecting him by drafting Amini Silatolu over Cordy Glenn. That was one year after drafting Terrell McClain seven picks ahead of DeMarco Murray.

Man, I just can't get why people don't appreciate Marty Hurney more

As usual you throw out a bunch of bullshit and emojis to fight a point you will never win. GMs get fired because they don't have a quarterback. Gettleman walked into one. You're also forgetting Hurney had a rookie head coach who was flat out terrible his first two seasons and the only year he showed up "Riverboat" we went 12-4. Coincidence?

[chknwing]

I agree with Aceboogie.  Gettlemen came into a decent situation player wise.  Hurney was fired because the amount of money he was paying players did not yield a winning football team.   What Gman has produced a winning football team while trimming the fat.  I think thats where he shines at the moment over hurney.  It still remains to be seen whether his approach is the right approach.  Hurney does have a super bowl appearance under his belt as gm of the panthers.

[Mr. Scot]

As usual you throw out a bunch of bullshit and emojis to fight a point you will never win. GMs get fired because they don't have a quarterback. Gettleman walked into one. You're also forgetting Hurney had a rookie head coach who was flat out terrible his first two seasons and the only year he showed up "Riverboat" we went 12-4. Coincidence?

 

Just to be clear, which of your personalities am I debating right now?  Is it the one who says "Hey, once you have a franchise quarterback you have it made" or the one that says "Why doesn't this organization build a winning team around Cam?"  It'd help to know that.

 

(I'd ask if it was the one that could hold a consistent viewpoint, but that one doesn't seem to exist)

 

Seems to me it's probably the same one that posted this gem a while back.

 

Gettleman walked into the best core of players of any GM in NFL history.

 

To quote Mr. Lumbergh, "Hmmmm. Yeeeeeaaahhhh."

 

As to the question, no it's not coincidence.  It's a superior GM, and thus a better overall roster.  You know, kinda like the one you've been continuously saying we needed to build.  At least before you changed your mindset to "a franchise QB and six good players is the best situation in NFL history".

[AceBoogie]

Just to be clear, which of your personalities am I debating right now? Is it the one who says "Hey, once you have a franchise quarterback you have it made" or the one that says "Why doesn't this organization build a winning team around Cam?" It'd help to know that.

(I'd ask if it was the one that could hold a consistent viewpoint, but that one doesn't seem to exist)

Seems to me it's probably the same one that posted this gem a while back.

To quote Mr. Lumbergh, "Hmmmm. Yeeeeeaaahhhh."

As to the question, no it's not coincidence. It's a superior GM, and thus a better overall roster. You know, kinda like the one you've been continuously saying we needed to build. At least before you changed your mindset to "a franchise QB and six good players is the best situation in NFL history".

I told myself a while ago you can't argue with old men stuck in their ways

[Mr. Scot]

I told myself a while ago you can't argue with old men stuck in their ways

 

If "stuck in their ways" means "doesn't keep changing arguments" then I guess you're right for once.

 

Ponder this for a moment...

 

The guy you're knocking got us two starting quality players with a fifth round pick and an undrafted signing.

 

The guy you're championing had an entire draft class - save his first round pick - completely gone from the team after just two seasons.

 

And this is the guy who you say built the "best core of players in NFL history".

 

 

[Fidel Cashflow]

Vey nice.

[FootballMaestro]

Very Well Said Mr. Igo!!

 

Our impromptu Water Cooler convo's are apparently safe now?

 

People have to stop looking at the draft from THEIR EYES, or the so called DRAFT EXPERTS EYES. Instead, look at it from the Panthers Brass eyes.

 

Are they correct?.....We don't know now. And we'll certainly find out soon enough.

 

Nonetheless, it makes sense from their perspective. So I'm willing to like it, and/or reserve judgement till the season starts.

[thefuzz]

Ace still praising Hurney...jeez....