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Jason Whitlock on PTI: Who compares to Jack Lambert? Luke


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Luke does have a mean streak. It comes out especially if you got the bestnof him on the prior play.  He doesn't play mean all the time, but his presence on the field is definitely intimidating.

Yeah you're right about him having a mean side that does rear it's head every once in a while.  Hell, it's only happened a handful of times that I can recall, and every time he's done it his game skyrocketed to another level.

First time I ever saw it was that Oakland game his rookie year where he got that bogus flag, then immediately proceeded to personally kick the Raiders off the field by making the next several stops himself... violent tackles at that.  To top it off he had an awesome highlight interception with a huge return to basically seal the game.

The next time was that preseason game against Baltimore where he started to get into one hell of a rhythm, and the refs once again called some bogus poo on him... and he then single-handedly destroyed the Ravens' offense.  Yeah it was preseason, but holy hell he put on a show that game.

Then there was that 2013 Saints rain game, where he was just in the zone from before kickoff until the end of the game.  He's not normally a big hitter, but he was punishing those Saints RBs that day.  He'd throw in a couple of extracurricular hip tosses or drive them into the dirt to let em know he meant business that game.

The fact that people hate Watt on here is disgusting.  Watt is an absolute monster, and dude came from nothing to something.  There is one player I would trade Luke for straight up, and that's Watt.  That's literally it.   

Lol... disgusting?  Hyperbole much?

People don't dislike Watt because he's a great player.  They dislike him because he comes off as a disingenuous attention whore.

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The next time was that preseason game against Baltimore where he started to get into one hell of a rhythm, and the refs once again called some bogus poo on him... and he then single-handedly destroyed the Ravens' offense.  Yeah it was preseason, but holy hell he put on a show that game.

You're talking about the game where this happened...

 

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Yeah you're right about him having a mean side that does rear it's head every once in a while.  Hell, it's only happened a handful of times that I can recall, and every time he's done it his game skyrocketed to another level.

First time I ever saw it was that Oakland game his rookie year where he got that bogus flag, then immediately proceeded to personally kick the Raiders off the field by making the next several stops himself... violent tackles at that.  To top it off he had an awesome highlight interception with a huge return to basically seal the game.

The next time was that preseason game against Baltimore where he started to get into one hell of a rhythm, and the refs once again called some bogus poo on him... and he then single-handedly destroyed the Ravens' offense.  Yeah it was preseason, but holy hell he put on a show that game.

Then there was that 2013 Saints rain game, where he was just in the zone from before kickoff until the end of the game.  He's not normally a big hitter, but he was punishing those Saints RBs that day.  He'd throw in a couple of extracurricular hip tosses or drive them into the dirt to let em know he meant business that game.

Lol... disgusting?  Hyperbole much?

People don't dislike Watt because he's a great player.  They dislike him because he comes off as a disingenuous attention whore.

That was the game that made me decide to start following the panthers more seriously. Seriously just a magical game.

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Yeah you're right about him having a mean side that does rear it's head every once in a while.  Hell, it's only happened a handful of times that I can recall, and every time he's done it his game skyrocketed to another level.

First time I ever saw it was that Oakland game his rookie year where he got that bogus flag, then immediately proceeded to personally kick the Raiders off the field by making the next several stops himself... violent tackles at that.  To top it off he had an awesome highlight interception with a huge return to basically seal the game.

The next time was that preseason game against Baltimore where he started to get into one hell of a rhythm, and the refs once again called some bogus poo on him... and he then single-handedly destroyed the Ravens' offense.  Yeah it was preseason, but holy hell he put on a show that game.

Then there was that 2013 Saints rain game, where he was just in the zone from before kickoff until the end of the game.  He's not normally a big hitter, but he was punishing those Saints RBs that day.  He'd throw in a couple of extracurricular hip tosses or drive them into the dirt to let em know he meant business that game.

Lol... disgusting?  Hyperbole much?

People don't dislike Watt because he's a great player.  They dislike him because he comes off as a disingenuous attention whore.

Meh, nobody I've talked to dislikes him.  Gronk acts way worse and people never say they dislike him.  This dude is having his own cruise ship for Christ sakes.  

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Yeah you're right about him having a mean side that does rear it's head every once in a while.  Hell, it's only happened a handful of times that I can recall, and every time he's done it his game skyrocketed to another level.

First time I ever saw it was that Oakland game his rookie year where he got that bogus flag, then immediately proceeded to personally kick the Raiders off the field by making the next several stops himself... violent tackles at that.  To top it off he had an awesome highlight interception with a huge return to basically seal the game.

The next time was that preseason game against Baltimore where he started to get into one hell of a rhythm, and the refs once again called some bogus poo on him... and he then single-handedly destroyed the Ravens' offense.  Yeah it was preseason, but holy hell he put on a show that game.

Then there was that 2013 Saints rain game, where he was just in the zone from before kickoff until the end of the game.  He's not normally a big hitter, but he was punishing those Saints RBs that day.  He'd throw in a couple of extracurricular hip tosses or drive them into the dirt to let em know he meant business that game.

Lol... disgusting?  Hyperbole much?

People don't dislike Watt because he's a great player.  They dislike him because he comes off as a disingenuous attention whore.

I don't remember playing the Raiders in 2012 do you no which week it was? Nvm I remember now that was when Hardy killed Carson. Vicious hit.

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I don't remember playing the Raiders in 2012 do you no which week it was? Nvm I remember now that was when Hardy killed Carson. Vicious hit.

That was the game Mike Mitchell got a kick to the throat from Cam Newton. First thing Mike did when he got here was apologize to Cam.
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Probably because Gronk is genuine about who he is.

This. Gronk is a 12 year old in a grown man's body and doesn't try to hide it. Meanwhile, Watt tries to make himself out to be an everyman with his "minimalistic" log cabin, which is well, you decide. http://deadspin.com/j-j-watt-is-a-goddamn-lying-clownfraud-1689443066
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I gotta disagree here.

Luke may not talk as vicious as Lambert did but does he play and hit as vicious as Lambert?  absolutely.

And although this may be a product of the eras they played in, Luke is more athletic than Lambert ever was.

No, he doesn't play as mean as Lambert did.  Nobody questions level of play, toughness, or athleticism.  But as far as scaring the hell out of your opponent, Luke doesn't match up with Lambert there.  And that's not a slight against Luke, but more an indictment of the changes in rules and the way the game is officiated now.  If Luke tried to play that style, he'd be labeled a dirty player, and draw all kinds of flags and fines. 

So while you could reasonably compare them in terms of impact on the field, you can't reasonable compare their style of play.

Luke does have a mean streak. It comes out especially if you got the bestnof him on the prior play.  He doesn't play mean all the time, but his presence on the field is definitely intimidating.

Luke's most intimidating feature is his ability to recognize the play and always be around the ball, not his ability to knock people out of the game.  Yes, he does play with a mean streak, and he most certainly will knock the snot out of you if given the chance.  But in no way does he play with the viciousness that Jack Lambert did.

   

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