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Underrated or Overrated?

Harbingers

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Harbingers Grand Master

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I was thinking this morning as every actual football topic of this game has been talked into the dirt and today is going to be the slowest day in the history of this year.

Do you feel the Seahawks Rush Defense(Front Seven) is more underrated or their secondary(Pass Pro) is more overrated?

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Honestly, over rated in a rush defense aspect, but under rated in pass.  The reason they look so good in run defense is because they don't have to drop extra guys into coverage because of how good the seahawks secondary is (just look at what happened to them when they had to try to overcompensate for Cary Williams).  On the other side, part of what makes their pass defense so good is their pass rush from Bennett and Avril and shorten a QB's internal clock and force them to try to make quick decisions against a good secondary.

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Their run defense is still pretty strong...they held stew to under 4 ypc I think. They were missing Wagner that game as well. Biggest problem for us though will definitely be our own pass D. Russel wilson puts some ridiculous touch on his throws. Hopefully our DES can step it up now.

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20 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

It is interesting they were able to contain AP so well in their two games. But, J Stew was able to get nearly 80 yards against that defense(all be it minus Avril?), Im wondering if thats since he is pure power.

Cam is a threat they need to account for. Teddy was not.

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14 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

It is interesting they were able to contain AP so well in their two games. But, J Stew was able to get nearly 80 yards against that defense(all be it minus Avril?), Im wondering if thats since he is pure power.

I think that has a lot to do with the style of runs and the QB in the backfield.  Cam changes the game with his ability to run, but more so we run the ball out of the shotgun (Something that Minnesota doesn't do much) and we also run the read option which requires a ton of discipline as opposed to a pro-style run game.

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They are solid all the way through, but their pass D is what drives folks mad.

Avril and Bennett can just completely overwhelm average QB's...hell, for that matter most QB's.

 

If you really want to throw up in your mouth.....the Hawks cap hit for both of them this year....16M, our cap hit for Big Money this year....20M.

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2 hours ago, minicho said:

Their run defense is still pretty strong...they held stew to under 4 ypc I think. They were missing Wagner that game as well. Biggest problem for us though will definitely be our own pass D. Russel wilson puts some ridiculous touch on his throws. Hopefully our DES can step it up now.

DEs haven't stepped up since the Cowboys game.  Hard to expect them to do it now with the great Jared Allen and Charles Johnson starting.  

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25 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Ouch.

Man I like CJ to, ya he isn't getting the sacks but he pressures. But he's a leader and he's smart.

In that OBJ scrum he was the guy that pulled OBJ out walked him to his sideline and pointed... I can only imagine he was saying "Get the fug over there. You messed up boy."

I hope he will restructure on a four year deal and take the cut like TD did. He obviously loves Charlotte and the Panthers. 

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2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

They are solid all the way through, but their pass D is what drives folks mad.

Avril and Bennett can just completely overwhelm average QB's...hell, for that matter most QB's.

 

If you really want to throw up in your mouth.....the Hawks cap hit for both of them this year....16M, our cap hit for Big Money this year....20M.

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54 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Man I like CJ to, ya he isn't getting the sacks but he pressures. But he's a leader and he's smart.

In that OBJ scrum he was the guy that pulled OBJ out walked him to his sideline and pointed... I can only imagine he was saying "Get the fug over there. You messed up boy."

I hope he will restructure on a four year deal and take the cut like TD did. He obviously loves Charlotte and the Panthers. 

Do you mean sign an extension?  That ain't happening.  He would have to take a true pay cut, something that very few veteran players do if they still have another year on a contract.

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Really it's Rivera's fault for having Allen and CJ start. Ealy needs to start over one of them and it should be CJ. I don't care if he gets mad. He can go cry on twitter or whatever. At least Allen has shown flashes of something in the run game. CJ has shown poo.

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