Offensive Tackles cost us the game.

[Rocky Davis]

I agree we need to upgrade the tackle positions, but I think Oher (other than his false starts) played about as good as expected given the circumstances.  After rewatching the game, I don't understand why Tolbert and Dickson missed some obvious chips and just let Miller and Ware go wild on Remmers and Oher.  Olsen made most of his chip blocks and still got out into his route....

The OL, specifically the tackles, didn't lose the game for us though.  This was a team effort from the offense and special teams...turnovers, botched punt coverage, missed field goal etc.

[Moose Hoover]

Picking Derrick Henry at 30 may kill two birds with one stone. He is good in pass protection.

[CRA]

Gameplan cost us.

we could of had better OTs.  One on one and on a silent count....they would have been beat too.  Shula hung them out to dry.  Better OTs would have been whipped to

[SOJA]

Disagree with the OP

Von Miller is a generational talent- we were never going to contain him all game. Could Remmers have played better? Of course. More importantly Cam should have been willing to take sacks and protect the ball. 

Edit: and this is coming from one of the biggest Cam homers on here

Also I forgot to add that Shula was god awful that game

[SOJA]

12 minutes ago, Moose Hoover said:

Picking Derrick Henry at 30 may kill two birds with one stone. He is good in pass protection.

nooooooo no to Bama RBs especially in the first

[Ace_Aladdin]

47 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Sorry,  but blaming the loss on the OTs or really any one facet of the game is a bit short sighted.  It was 100% a team loss,  though the defense did better than any other part of the game. 

The truth of the matter is that this OL is the best we've had in years and that includes the OTs. They were good enough to get us to  17 wins this year and the superbowl. Does the mean they couldn't be improved? Nope, but they were still good and not the liability the OP makes them out to be. Remmers will probably be replaced by big Daryl (whom I think is going to be an absolute stud) and Oher is reliable enough to get us back to the superbowl again, but if Gettleman does happen to find us a VET LT (which, if we're serious about getting back there this year is the only direction we should go if any change is to be made to LT) then cool.

if we are looking at the fix to get us back to the superbowl this year being an LT we pick up in the draft, we're going to be disappointed.  you won't find that guy outside of the first 5, maybe even 10 picks and even then finding one that is ready to start at a high level right out of the gate is rare. 

What we have is what we need....continuity on the OL. Changing out more than one part of that OL would set us back probably half a season unless we were able to pick up a couple absolute studs who perfectly fit the blocking scheme and we're in place by the earliest OTAs. 

It's true that one might fall through the cracks and Gettleman could pick him up, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

The biggest issues to address is DE and the secondary. I think Early is ready to the over, but there are too many long term question marks in the rest of the group and in the secondary we have two old vets and one high priced FA that might hit the road. Aside from that,  though, with Benjamin comin back I think we aabsolutely have all the pieces in place for us to go back and actually win it all next year. 

I've said before (as if that matters) that the reaso not we didn't come home with a Lombardi wasn't the personnel,  it was that the moment was too big for us and we made uncharacteristic mistakes that I think were rooted in nerves. All we needed to do was do one more tim ssomething that the Broncos offense couldn't do at all, and that was get into the end zone. and if it wasn't for that fumble cam lost that resulted in Denver' s only score we would have won that game ( not to put the blame of the loss on cam).

 

Point is that this team, as is, was good enough to win it all this year. They were good enough to have a perfect record, but their two lone losses this year can come back to not the other team being better, but our team not having their heads where they needed to be. And this is a good thing because it's the issue that is easiest for this team to fix.

any changes in personnel (aside from maybe losing 24) is essentially gravy.

Its mostly Special teams and Offense that stunk up this game and it does come down to OL play whether you like to admit it or not. The panther offense is based on timing and when you don't have that extra half second WR could have been in better position to catch the ball and cam could set his feet. No its not gonna take a top 5 pick to get the left tackle that fits the system. We got KK in the 2nd round and there will be a OT that fits the mold for the Panthers. The way Kony played DE is not a big of issue we just need depth more than anything else. You talk about chemistry but it cant cover up lack of talent and that showed up in last years Seattle game and in SB this year. We have a whole off season to create chemistry and most of OL personnel will stay the same, This is just another excuse by huddlers who let IT  get in the way. 

[Navy_football]

45 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Disagree with the OP

Von Miller is a generational talent- we were never going to contain him all game. Could Remmers have played better? Of course. More importantly Cam should have been willing to take sacks and protect the ball. 

Edit: and this is coming from one of the biggest Cam homers on here

Also I forgot to add that Shula was god awful that game

I agree you were not going to contain Von Miller with any tackle in the NFL for the entire game - one on one. But you could have schemed him out of the game. Whenever he was on the line, always assign a RB chip or a TE to his side. Even having a RB cross his face on a screen or wheel route would make him have to respect it and keep him out of the backfield. Run at him (off tackle) in double TEs where he would line up outside of the TE.

After the first strip sack for a TD, there is no way I wouldn't have accounted for him on every play from there on out. And there is no way I would have left Remmers one on one with him again in the entire game. Oher was fine when Von went to the left side. Remmers is not athletic enough to block Von Miller at a rate higher than maybe 25%. Every one on the team knew it, including Cam and Remmers. 

[Rocky Davis]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Gameplan cost us.

we could of had better OTs.  One on one and on a silent count....they would have been beat too.  Shula hung them out to dry.  Better OTs would have been whipped to

You make a good point that even the best offensive tackle would have had their hands full with Miller and Ware (when he wasn't twisting/stunting).  I totally agree we needed a better plan keeping Tolbert/Dickson/whoever the hell could block in and actually blocking until Cam got rid of the ball.

[TylerDurden]

Tbh, i think Oher was fine.  He held his own against Ware.  The problem (outside of Remmers, obviously) from what i remember, was more the A gap on the left side and the RBs, especially Fozzy, were completely blowing their assignments.  Idk if those interior problems were on Norwell, Oher, or a combination, but the pressure on the left seemed to be coming more from the middle, so i naturally think that's more on Norwell or Kalil.

[SOJA]

15 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I agree you were not going to contain Von Miller with any tackle in the NFL for the entire game - one on one. But you could have schemed him out of the game. Whenever he was on the line, always assign a RB chip or a TE to his side. Even having a RB cross his face on a screen or wheel route would make him have to respect it and keep him out of the backfield. Run at him (off tackle) in double TEs where he would line up outside of the TE.

After the first strip sack for a TD, there is no way I wouldn't have accounted for him on every play from there on out. And there is no way I would have left Remmers one on one with him again in the entire game. Oher was fine when Von went to the left side. Remmers is not athletic enough to block Von Miller at a rate higher than maybe 25%. Every one on the team knew it, including Cam and Remmers. 

totally agree - great post

[panthers34]

No we lost the game because our lack of adjustment to their pass rush. Remmer got burned by Miller all game but the coaches never sent over help on that side. We should have kept Tolbert in to double Miller or something 

[rayzor]

I think the comments blaming protection issues against miller on a lack of adjustments to help Remmers is right on target. We stopped watt and others because we made changes.  We made few adjustments anywhere that game. The whole team, especially on offense, special teams, and Shula were essentially deer caught in headlights. 

We just weren't ready for the reality of that game mentally. 

[SinaloaPaisa]

12 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Wrong Daryl Wiliams, The key is finding the guy for your SYSTEM. 

A back up rookie is some good - great OT that proves your point? 

We do not know what he is or will be in the NFl. 

 

[arieslibra1]

11 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Stewart is the best pass protection back and when he went down everything went with it. I have seen so many plays where Olsen or Tolbert  whiffs on their blocks, they should have used them in passing situation and bring in dickson for blocking.

I see. Denver probably would have figured that out. I wish Olsen takes pride in his blocking like Gronk does.