Voth talks "sustained success"

[Mr. Scot]

...in his latest article on BBR.

Are the Panthers on a run of sustained success?

Here's a bit I found particularly interesting, starting with a tidbit from Super Bowl week.

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Gettleman sometimes has a much different opinion of who deserves to be inside the locker room than many outside of it. He claimed releasing receiver Steve Smith was "a football decision" even though the team's all-time leading receiver still had tread on his tires. But if we accept how much Gettleman factors in "culture," it was a football decision. In many ways, so was the shocking call to release cornerback Josh Norman from his franchise tag.

We don't know all that happened behind the scenes this spring, but we do know Norman's asking price was much higher than Gettleman would ever go. And throughout last season there were indications Norman wasn't part of Carolina's core, like a small but telling sign at the Super Bowl.

From Tuesday to Thursday, the team chose 10 players to sit on risers during media availability. Norman, an All-Pro and arguably the Panthers' most colorful personality, was never picked and spent those three days sharing a small table off to the side.

As he continued to illustrate his philosophy about culture, Gettleman explained:

"You earn the right to be on the roster, you earn the right to get to training camp, you earn the right to be on the 53. Now every week you earn the right to win the game. We talk about that all the time. That’s a culture and they get it, they understand it."

From the team's point of view, they're not desperate for any player's services. They won't take a "we'll do anything if you'll just agree to play for us" stance.

Nope. Their attitude is more "show us why we should let you in this locker room".

There are lots of teams where the inmates run the asylum. Carolina clearly isn't one of them.

The obvious question would be whether the team has had enough success in their recent run to dictate things this way.

What would you say to this?

[csx]

I found his artical about Daryl Williams interesting and was surprised it wasn't discussed here......I could have missed it.

[caatfan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are lots of teams where the inmates run the asylum. Carolina clearly isn't one of them.

And I'm damn happy about it. Not every single player who dons a Panther uniform understands it, but the ones who buy into the 'culture' will. 

 

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The obvious question would be whether the team has had enough success in their recent run to dictate things this way.

Most of the players like it, so yeah, I think it works, even though it's a relatively new philosophy for us. 

[KSpan]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

...in his latest article on BBR.

Are the Panthers on a run of sustained success?

Here's a bit I found particularly interesting, starting with a tidbit from Super Bowl week.

From the team's point of view, they're not desperate for any player's services. They won't take a "we'll do anything if you'll just agree to play for us" stance.

Nope. Their attitude is more "show us why we should let you in this locker room".

There are lots of teams where the inmates run the asylum. Carolina clearly isn't one of them.

The obvious question would be whether the team has had enough success in their recent run to dictate things this way.

What would you say to this?

Flipping that around, maybe doing things this way plays a notable part in achieving sustained success.

[csx]

15 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

I knew Norman didn't get it the moment he made those remarks on that ESPN special. He only cared about getting paid like a QB and Thomas looked at him as if he told him telekinetically to STFU.

Whether it's ever spoken their has to be something that guys like TD and Luke think when a guy they had to keep in line gets and wants that much. Those guys lay it all on the line every moment and are the heart and soul of the team. 

[top dawg]

I think that there may be something to the "culture" thing as I have alluded to before. There is a burgeoning "Carolina way". 

That being said, I don't necessarily believe that a Norman-Smith correlation is a valid one in reference to the culture that Getty is building. Norman is gone because of money, period! Smith is gone because of perceived loss of skills, personality and/or reputation.

[ctrcat]

Like it, love it, want some more of it.  Do not want to sacrifice future for present...but will be very disappointed if his $14 million isn't used to help the 2016 Panthers via additional FA/trades or helping lock up KK with a front loaded deal.  Simply rolling such a massive amount over when we are one of very few teams that can win the whole thing NOW would be like forcing a kid to eat cold, hard, sleel cut oatmeal.

[nctarheel0619]

If we suck ass this year, I'll make sure we go back to this article, and ask this question again.  

We have literally proven nothing in the grand scheme of things, until then..................

[CPantherKing]

The culture in Carolina is a deep divide between the players in the locker room 'family' and the distrusted individuals in the front office 'business'. The players did not take losing Josh Norman well among themselves with what they were told/promised and how the dealings with Norman went down.

Anyone who believes 2014 demonstrated 'sustained success' is not being objective. Someone from the NFC South had to go to the playoffs that season, and the Panthers received the consolation prize for being the best of the worst. Let us keep in mind how much the front office affected the 2014 season with their changes/experiments.

[panthers55]

This is somewhat of a double edged sword. Players want to be here and play for us but they also wanted to be appreciated and compensated fairly.  Of course the biggest issue is what is the definition of fairly.  We dont want to be the Redskins who wildly overpay for players who most times dont work out.  On the other hand we dont want to be known as the team that is cheap and wont pay anyone but a small hand of players the going rate in the league.  Gettleman has had success drafting and we have had good success particularly in 2013 and 2015.  It is hard to call 2014 sustained success when we didnt finish with a winning record. But as long as we continue to win and field a very strong team that players admire and want to be here, Gettleman can do what he wants for the most part.  When we didnt have money it was easy to say we couldnt afford players on a free agency contract because of cap woes. But now we have 28,000,000 in cap space which is expected to rise to almost 50 million in 2017 even if there is no rise in cap between this year and next.  Yes we dont have everyone under contract next year and we wont have all that money to spend, but we first have to spend 90% of the cap by rule, and we have to demonstrate that we are willing to pay players a good wage.  As long as we win, we will be fine but if we start losing things can go south in a hurry. 

[Mr. Scot]

59 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

The culture in Carolina is a deep divide between the players in the locker room 'family' and the distrusted individuals in the front office 'business'. The players did not take losing Josh Norman well among themselves with what they were told/promised and how the dealings with Norman went down.

Anyone who believes 2014 demonstrated 'sustained success' is not being objective. Someone from the NFC South had to go to the playoffs that season, and the Panthers received the consolation prize for being the best of the worst. Let us keep in mind how much the front office affected the 2014 season with their changes/experiments.

Reminder: This poster has no inside sources and no "behind the scenes" access to the team or its players.

Any inside information he claims to have is completely made up out of a pathetic desire to get someone to listen to him. The vast majority of the board is aware of this and generally just ignores him.

If you're actually dumb enough to take anything he says seriously, that's on you.

[nctarheel0619]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Reminder: This poster has no inside sources and no "behind the scenes" access to the team or its players.

Any inside information he claims to have is completely made up out of a pathetic desire to get someone to listen to him. The vast majority of the board is aware of this and generally just ignores him.

If you're actually dumb enough to take anything he says seriously, that's on you.

So, you're dumb is what you're saying?  Because you quoted yourself.  

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

So, you're dumb is what you're saying?  Because you quoted yourself.  

Quoting doesn't equal taking seriously.

Giving Pie, on the other hand...

[nctarheel0619]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Quoting doesn't equal taking seriously.

Giving Pie, on the other hand...

Well, you quoted yourself and said you were dumb.  So, that's your prerogative, good sir.