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Broncos offering the guy that destroyed Mike Remmers (Von Miller) 70 mill guaranteed

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5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

That is garbage. Peyton had a 56 quarterback rating and they had a total 5 first downs through the air all day. They went 1 for 13 on third down. We handed them 14 points due to defensive turnovers.  He didn't even play as well as Cam did. Peyton retired because he had nothing left and knew they were handed that game. Frankly as bad as we played.we were still in the game because their offense sucked plain and simple

You underestimate how much win one last one for the giper speeches can pump a team up. If you think a team cant elevate their level for one game you are mistaken. Still we should of beat them but we beat ourselves, we were the vastly superior team. If the offense would have played an avg or mediocre game we would have won. Our defense did play lights out but Denvers got the turnovers as you stated.

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2 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

If we allow Von Miller to beat us in the season opener, I might start to climb back on the "Fire Shula" bandwagon.  

To be clear: I'm not saying if we lose, I'm saying if we allow Von Miller to basically take over the game like he did in the SB. Granted, there were some problems with the execution of the help we game-planned for Remmers (*cough* Tolbert *cough*) but there were also times when we left our RT on an island with the best speed edge rusher in the game while dropping back and waiting for receivers to get open on slow developing routes in press-man coverage...

Not taking any credit away from the Broncos defense, but I feel like we played right into their hands. I think we panicked and abandoned the run game too early in favor of trying to make a splash play. Neutralizing an elite edge rusher like Miller is easier said than done and requires patience. You start the game by running the ball at him to take the wind out of his sails, then you force him to chase plays to the other side of the field and when you think you've slowed him down a little you take a shot. It's like throwing body blows in a boxing match for the first 9 rounds, hoping to setup a knockout punch in the 10th. 

I haven't forgotten about being the # 1 scoring offense under Shula and I'm a big fan of continuity, but now that we've had the Von Miller experience I'm going to be really disappointed if we let him do it again. 

TBH I'm with you....he and staff have had a whole offseason to prepare offensively with the same personel+KB...no reason we shouldn't have a better showing on offense...don't give me that one week at a time bs, as soon as the schedule was realeased beating the Broncos should have been priority #1 from an OC standpoint....the proof is in the pudding and like you said allowing 1 player to absolutely dominate will be unacceptable 

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14 hours ago, usmcpanthers said:

Are you a Broncos fan or a Panther fan.....beginning to question that.

See this is why I hate the huddle some times. Being the slightest bit obejective and realistic means I'm obviously a fan of another team.

 

sorry I don't think every big contract is going to put a team in cap hell forever. Guarantee you dumb ass fans of other teams probably thought the same thing when we have big money to cam but they are no more right than you are right now. Pathetic man. Just pathetic.

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2 minutes ago, CarolinaCoolin said:

See this is why I hate the huddle some times. Being the slightest bit obejective and realistic means I'm obviously a fan of another team.

 

sorry I don't think every big contract is going to put a team in cap hell forever. Guarantee you dumb ass fans of other teams probably thought the same thing when we have big money to cam but they are no more right than you are right now. Pathetic man. Just pathetic.

Never thought that about Cam, I was all for his contract. Actually his contract looks like a steal now. Von isnt a franchise QB that makes a huge difference!!! Im just saying Denver's window has closed and you wont be seeing them in the playoffs anytime soon. I only called you out because every comment was pro broncos. I know youre a panther fan with 5k comments on the forum. I just dont fall in love with the team that beat us in the superbowl.  Also hurney killed us for a long time with bad contracts. Bad contracts might not put a team in cap hell forever but they are hard to climb out of. Gman has done great digging us out of cap hell. Took us what 5 years to have cap space again? That is the situation Denver will soon be in.

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7 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

Never thought that about Cam, I was all for his contract. Actually his contract looks like a steal now. Von isnt a franchise QB that makes a huge difference!!! Im just saying Denver's window has closed and you wont be seeing them in the playoffs anytime soon. I only called you out because every comment was pro broncos. I know youre a panther fan with 5k comments on the forum. I just dont fall in love with the team that beat us in the superbowl.  Also hurney killed us for a long time with bad contracts. Bad contracts might not put a team in cap hell forever but they are hard to climb out of. Gman has done great digging us out of cap hell. Took us what 5 years to have cap space again? That is the situation Denver will soon be in.

To be fair, Cam's a QB.  And he took less than normal for a Top 10 QB (at that time) in his position).  

A combination of Von Miller, and the complete shitting of the bed by the Panthers won the Broncos that Super Bowl.  So, I don't blame them for giving him his money.  

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8 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

Never thought that about Cam, I was all for his contract. Actually his contract looks like a steal now. Von isnt a franchise QB that makes a huge difference!!! Im just saying Denver's window has closed and you wont be seeing them in the playoffs anytime soon. I only called you out because every comment was pro broncos. I know youre a panther fan with 5k comments on the forum. I just dont fall in love with the team that beat us in the superbowl.  Also hurney killed us for a long time with bad contracts. Bad contracts might not put a team in cap hell forever but they are hard to climb out of. Gman has done great digging us out of cap hell. Took us what 5 years to have cap space again? That is the situation Denver will soon be in.

Hurney put us in cap hell with successive horrible contracts. Stew, dwill, CJ, Kalil all got huge money and the way they were structured was bad for the team. We couldn't cut guys even if we wanted to because of dead money and cap penalties.

Von's contract might not even be that bad if it's structured in a way that doesn't harm the team when it's other big players are up for deals. Things like that can be managed if you have a competent guy working them. Hurney wasn't that guy. G-man is. 

 

And im not saying you were saying the cam contract is bad but certainly people on this board and fans of other teams around the league thought it was bad only looking at the sticker price and not digging deeper. That's the problem I have whenever there is a "so and so got a big money contract" thread because it's the same poo just insert a different players name. Everyone thinks it will handicap said team for years when it's almost never like that.

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Hurney put us in cap hell with successive horrible contracts. Stew, dwill, CJ, Kalil all got huge money and the way they were structured was bad for the team. We couldn't cut guys even if we wanted to because of dead money and cap penalties.

Von's contract might not even be that bad if it's structured in a way that doesn't harm the team when it's other big players are up for deals. Things like that can be managed if you have a competent guy working them. Hurney was that guys. G-man is. 

 

And im not saying you were saying the cam contract is bad but certainly people on this board and fans of other teams around the league thought it was bad only looking at the sticker price and my digging deeper. That's the problem I have when every there is a "so and so got a big money contract" thread because it's the same shut just insert a different players name. Everyone thinks it will handicap said team for years when it's almost never like that.

Valid points, I just believe in this case Von's contract will hurt Denver. Players rarely live up to expectations after they sign these kind of deals.  I take every player deal objectively. i couldnt be a GM, I think 70 mil guaranteed, 114.5M overall for a non franchise QB is just LUDICROUS!

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4 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

Valid points, I just believe in this case Von's contract will hurt Denver. Players rarely live up to expectations after they sign these kind of deals.  I take every player deal objectively. i couldnt be a GM, I think 70 mil guaranteed, 114.5M overall for a non franchise QB is just LUDICROUS!

Well you are talking about arguably the second most valuable position besides the QB. LT and DE/3-4 OLB's are so valuable because they either protect the QB from pass rush or create pass rush and in a passing league now those are premium. 

 

This is the market. It's only going to go up. Luck set the bar for what QBs are now going to make. Von just set it for what DE/3-4 OLB's will make. It's just how the league is now

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Well you are talking about arguably the second most value position besides the QB. LT and DE/3-4 OLB's are so value able because they either protect the QB from pass rush or create pass rush and in a passin league now those are premium. 

 

This is market. It's only going to go up. Luck set the bar for what QBs are now going to make. Von just set it for what DE/3-4 OLB's will make. It's just how the league is now

And thats why I said I couldnt be a GM. I would have told him walk his greedy ass out the door. Pretty much what Gman did to Josh.

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1 minute ago, usmcpanthers said:

And thats why I said I couldnt be a GM. I would have told him walk his greedy ass out the door. Pretty much what Gman did to Josh.

The gman Josh thing is really complicated and I believe a large part of that was due to Josh's agent and not Josh himself. Josh wanted to be here. He fired his agent and was willing to sign the tag and play for us but the damage had been done. I believe they both wanted eachother but things just got in the way of that and passed the point of no return

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Miller had Elway's nuts in a vice. Elway has been getting quite a bit of heat lately for letting a lot of guys walk. He couldn't afford to let Miller walk. Broncos fans know they're in for a bit of a rebuilding period but none of them want the reset button pushed. That's what letting Miller walk would be. 

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