Scouting The Vikings

[fieryprophet]

5 minutes ago, Vikesfan said:

1) I relented and said, fine. Barr is more versatile
2) PFF, who watches all games and provides analysis of players as a revenue has Barr ranked as the best in 2015. 

 
 

That post was in October, when the 2015 season was a month old. Just stop, dude, it's embarrassing.

[Vikesfan]

5 minutes ago, fieryprophet said:

Try again. Jim Johnson, who both McDermott and Rivera are disciples of, was running it back in the 90s.

Actually your are wrong. JJ's scheme was very heavy on under alignments and Lbs over the B gap. Not in the A. In his scheme the Sam and Mike blitz the most. In Zimmers scheme it's the Mike and WIll. Only thing in common with both schemes is the 4-3 and the Mike in the A. It also contained a lot of zone blitzs while Zimmers is more Man blitz friendly.

[Vikesfan]

1 minute ago, fieryprophet said:

That post was in October, when the 2015 season was a month old. Just stop, dude, it's embarrassing.

You are asking me to drag up articles on the fly. Sorry if this was the wrong one. I will find the right article. Why would I lie?

[Vikesfan]

Hard to find all of the articles but here is one where he is 3rd in coverage behind your guy. He

Here is all pro with your guy
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-pffs-all-pro-team/

Either way. I'm not here for a dick measuring contest. I am here to talk football. No need to continue this point as I have already recanted and paid restitution. We can let it go. Luke is the best. 

[fieryprophet]

1 minute ago, Vikesfan said:

You are asking me to drag up articles on the fly. Sorry if this was the wrong one. I will find the right article. Why would I lie?

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm calling you misinformed. There may be some random PFF article out there saying Barr had a better grade than Kuechly for a particular week or whatever but their PFF grade for Kuechly last season but him categorically beyond Barr and it's silly to say otherwise. And I don't even buy PFF as the end-all, be-all: Barr's a really good player, but to compare him to Kuechly is to put him in a category he simply hasn't reached yet.

[Vikesfan]

Just now, fieryprophet said:

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm calling you misinformed. There may be some random PFF article out there saying Barr had a better grade than Kuechly for a particular week or whatever but their PFF grade for Kuechly last season but him categorically beyond Barr and it's silly to say otherwise. And I don't even buy PFF as the end-all, be-all: Barr's a really good player, but to compare him to Kuechly is to put him in a category he simply hasn't reached yet.

I changed it to versatile. His blitz grade (something LBs do) is a lot better than the difference between Luke's and his run support, and coverage grades. I agree that the sum of his parts are not comparable to Lukes. That's why I said Luke is more dominant LB. Barr simply is not a dominant LB. He is a more well rounded Lb but he isn't dominant. Perharps we aren't speaking the same terminology and that's why I tried to be more precise and say that he is more versatile.  

[CPF4LIFE]

Luke set the Barr that Anthony is trying to reach.

[fieryprophet]

11 minutes ago, Vikesfan said:

Actually your are wrong. JJ's scheme was very heavy on under alignments and Lbs over the B gap. Not in the A. In his scheme the Sam and Mike blitz the most. In Zimmers scheme it's the Mike and WIll. Only thing in common with both schemes is the 4-3 and the Mike in the A. It also contained a lot of zone blitzs while Zimmers is more Man blitz friendly.

Panthers run the Mike (Kuechly) and Will (Davis) in the double A gaps all the time. So, again, the Panthers are not unfamiliar with Zimmer's version of the scheme, as they also utilize the concept.

And the preponderance of under fronts had more to do with the much higher number of 21 and 22 personnel groupings in Johnson's era, the point is the double A gap concept itself is not new. It's one of the reasons the Panthers utilize nickel coverage as their "base" defense these days, teams are nowhere near as run-heavy.

[t96]

40 minutes ago, Vikesfan said:

1) I relented and said, fine. Barr is more versatile
2) PFF, who watches all games and provides analysis of players as a revenue has Barr ranked as the best in 2015. 

 
 

Appreciate your contributions here, just think it's clear Luke is a special player, unmatched by anyone else. Not me being a homer either I thought you were being one comparing Barr to Luke. It's all cool.

[uncfan888]

It's so funny how fans of team can differ. My buddy is a giant Vikings fan and thinks we'll beat them. Someone here described them as Denver lite and that's a pretty fair comparison. Their D isn't as good but their offense is a little better

[uncfan888]

21 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Appreciate your contributions here, just think it's clear Luke is a special player, unmatched by anyone else. Not me being a homer either I thought you were being one comparing Barr to Luke. It's all cool.

He was

[O-Ther]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Stefon Diggs and Mike Wallace against the Panthers secondary is worrisome.

Captain Munnerlyn will be waiting to make the Panthers pay.

I missed the news that Baltimore traded him back to Minnesota after signing him to a 2 year contract on March 15. Unless we're playing both the Vikings and Ravens this Sunday

[CPantherKing]

5 minutes ago, O-Ther said:

I missed the news that Baltimore traded him back to Minnesota after signing him to a 2 year contract on March 15. Unless we're playing both the Vikings and Ravens this Sunday

That makes it easier to scheme then. Maybe the Panthers can run zone and push the coverage to Diggs with a safety over top and LB underneath and the CB in a tight trail position. Double and triple Diggs all game.

[B.BERSIN]

CB:
Newman is a decent CB.  Won't give up the long but can be beat with quick slants. Isn't the biggest CB and will struggle with your 6'5 monsters. Rhodes is 6'1 and plays to his size. He will probably  be asked to shadow KB if healthy. He missed last game with a knee injury he suffered in pre game week 1.  Captain is a good slot corner and was miscast as an outside CB. Since we signed him Zimmer has rebuilt a lot of his technique and footing. Waynes, the gift and the curse. Very athletic, great coverage skills but very grabby and late to turn his head. He can make a good play or give up 2 PIs. There is no in between. Behind Waynes is Alexander who I fell in love with. Dude will not play for some time but he has the cover skills you love. His attitude scares me as he is a big talker and may be prone to taunting penalties. Zimmer is a former DB coach and he demands perfection with his CBs. Not just lining up but foot placement, shoulder shading, hand placement, all of these things are drilled and he obviously has no issue not playing big time rookies. We run primarily a cover 3 scheme with the occasional man coverage on the back side of a blitz.

Safety:
Harrison Smith is the Safety I pick is I am starting a team. Earl Thomas is a better FS then him and the guy from Miami is a maybe a better Strong. However, neither can play both positions at as high a level. Prior to Zimmer he was a high FS and has 4 ints returned for TDs to show for it. Not great in man coverage but most safeties aren't. Since Zimmer has arrived, he has been moved down into the box more and blitz where he has had as high as 5 sacks. He makes plays behind the line, he makes plays in the run game and he can cover deep. He's also a big clean hitter. 
 

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Dude, you guys should have already won 3 Super Bowls based on your analysis of your roster lololol


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