Mike Pettine vs Ron Meeks

[Peppers90 NC]

Maybe besides the verbage, the scheme is not much different. It looks the same on TV anyway, I haven't noticed much change. It's just old compared to what many teams are doing. No variation, the players are not buying into it. What defense would not say "fly to the ball" or gang tackle or try to incorporate speed? Most of the successful defenses are complex, so why are we trying to simplify it? Do we have low football IQ players on the team?

[SKULL]

Simple

The Jets run a 3-4 defense

So do the

Pats

Steelers

Ravens

Packers

I think the Eagles use a version as do the Dolphines

It's a more aggresive defense and better suited for todays N F L with Blitz coming from differnt areas at differnt times

Panthers are still stuck in the prevent,bend don't break defenses of old

[Delhommey]

Simple

The Jets run a 3-4 defense

So do the

Pats # 15 in pts allowed

Steelers # 5 in pts allowed

Ravens #23 in pts allowed

Packers # 18 in pts allowed

I think the Eagles use a version as do the Dolphines

It's a more aggresive defense and better suited for todays N F L with Blitz coming from differnt areas at differnt times

Panthers are still stuck in the prevent,bend don't break defenses of old

Try again.

[SKULL]

:confused:Not sure what I'm trying again

Just saying the 3-4 is a more aggresive defense

Someone said Jets brought 3 Ravens players

Ravens run a 3-4

Steelers have ran a 3-4 for years

Packers have just switched with Capers

As far as Pts allowed after 2 games

You are correct

As far as defenses other teams hate to play

Steelers

Eagles

Ravens

Pat's

have been there for several seasons

[Delhommey]

You fighting last year's battle.

Ravens and Pats D's are old and won't do much this year most likely. NE's actually running a lot of 4-3 too btw.

Eagles are 4-3.

Steelers have been running a plug and play 3-4 forever that they constantly can overhaul their personnel.

Scheme is overrated.

[natty]

I think just new life has been injected into that D. Ryan came in known as a defensive guy and all the players wanted to show him they belonged in his D.

I didn't really expect our defense to come out guns blazing. Didn't we have a short camp anyway? The D will improve as the season goes along, I just hope it's won't be too late.

Think about how much the team was talking about 'peaking' at the right time and being hot going into the playoffs. Perhaps that mindset took hold too much.

[CRA]

I think the Carolina coaches are too nice. I think our players are too nice and soft......I think the playcalling is safe and passive overall. The attiutide and mindset is clearly displayed. I hate to say it but we need a few nasty guys to help give this team an edge.

[God]

Our defense will not improve as long as Fox is here. Fox is an IDIOT, I've never seen a more vanilla defense in my life.

[Peppers90 NC]

Vanilla is not an acceptable term since preseason is over!

[Guild]

Vanilla is not an acceptable term since preseason is over!

How about rustic, inelaborate, and austere?

[Kettle]

We NEED TO BLITZ!

[Guild]

We NEED TO BLITZ!

Add effectively to that.

We have blitzed but is has been predictable and since we get hit with so many quick or short passes anyway it hasn't really been obvious that we've been blitzing.

[Cyberjag]

Trgovac's defense was geared more towards the play called. Beason calls it out, the players know what part of the field they need to cover and what they need to do.

Meeks' defense is geared toward starting in your zone, then reacting to the play itself, and "swarming" to the ball. You don't sit in one spot and make sure it's covered, you have to diagnose what's going on and what's going to happen and adjust on the fly to events as they unfold.

To make it simple, in Trgovac's defense you had a good idea where you would end up before the ball was snapped. In Meeks' you don't know until the play is in motion.

As far as the Jets defense, Mangini ran the base 3-4 just like Ryan does. He has a system like Trgovac's in that the defenders know what they're doing and where they're going before the ball is snapped. Put that together with the influx of talent and a healthy Kris Jenkins and it's no wonder that they're looking great now. BTW, last year before Jenkins' body gave out their defense was looking pretty good too.

[Mother Grabber]

Kris Jenkins