Where did this guy go?

[TylerDurden]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've confessed on here before that Rivera was not my first choice for a head coach (I wanted Mike Zimmer) but I got on board with him after the 2014 turnaround and the 2015 season.

Now my doubts are starting to come back.

I'm not advocating his firing or anything of that sort, but when I remember how he introduced himself, it just doesn't match with the guy that we've seen coaching in the years since.

Watch the video and tell me if you see it.

This has been my major gripe with you, scot.

With all due respect, why would you NOT advocate him being fired?  You acknowledge he is a shell of the guy in the introductory presser, he isnt a great coach, makes some horrible decisions, but you dont advocate him being fired?

Same with Gettleman...  i think Gettleman, had he not been as bombastic as he was over the decisions he made, would have earned himself a little more time, but due to his incomoetence this offseason followed by his gloating about it, and now our current state, if he isnt on the chopping block, his seat should be hot as hell also.

I know you like the slow play, patience, and reason reason before all else approach, but at what point have you seen enough to demand change?  Rivera has shown, he couldnt change his stripes, at least permanently...  riverboat was never who he was, he just happened into it being scared of losing his job.  Once he got comfortable again, its back to the same old absent mindedness, overly conservative, ho-hum approach.

And I brong up Gettleman in this conversation because again, considering the core talent on this team, we should not be in this position.  It is unacceptable.  We've had 21 years of the same pattern of behavior and no one in the FO or staff did anything to stop it from happening again. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, csx said:

I specifically remember you making a comment after year one about how Ron was the type of coach to never take his foit off a teams neck or off the throttle. I think your doung some revisionist history of your own opinions at the time.

I remember making that comment after the initial presser to a friend of mine, actually. After that introduction, that's who I thought he'd be.

By mid-year one, I was starting to have doubts but wanted to be patient. By the end of year two I was starting to have major doubts.

As of 2014, I was on the 'fire Rivera' bandwagon with both feet, but jumped off with the fast start in 2015.

Now I'm back to doubting.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

This has been my major gripe with you, scot.

With all due respect, why would you NOT advocate him being fired?  You acknowledge he is a shell of the guy in the introductory presser, he isnt a great coach, makes some horrible decisions, but you dont advocate him being fired?

Same with Gettleman...  i think Gettleman, had he not been as bombastic as he was over the decisions he made, would have earned himself a little more time, but due to his incomoetence this offseason followed by his gloating about it, and now our current state, if he isnt on the chopping block, his seat should be hot as hell also.

I know you like the slow play, patience, and reason reason before all else approach, but at what point have you seen enough to demand change?  Rivera has shown, he couldnt change his stripes, at least permanently...  riverboat was never who he was, he just happened into it being scared of losing his job.  Once he got comfortable again, its back to the same old absent mindedness, overly conservative, ho-hum approach.

And I brong up Gettleman in this conversation because again, considering the core talent on this team, we should not be in this position.  It is unacceptable.  We've had 21 years of the same pattern of behavior and no one in the FO or staff did anything to stop it from happening again. 

Look back at my 2014 posts.  I had Ron out the door and was researching who we might go after next.

I do believe in patience, but it's wearing thin right now because Rivera's back to his pre-2015 form.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

Vid is gone....

Still working for me...

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/panthers/video/8923865/

 

[Riverboat Ron]

Pu$$yb0@t Ron

[TheRed]

It's been this way pretty much every season of his tenure as head coach. He is the way he is at this moment. You can only hope to minimize how his deficiencies impact us. It's sad, but that is the truth.

[TylerDurden]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Look back at my 2014 posts.  I had Ron out the door and was researching who we might go after next.

I do believe in patience, but it's wearing thin right now because Rivera's back to his pre-2015 form.

 

 

Ok, I gotcha.  I was just referring to your earlier post in this thread where you said you're not advocating him being fired.

I understand this is his livelihood, and as a person, I love Ron.  He seems like a quality, upstanding, high character man of integrity.  So, as a person, I'd hate to see him lose his job, but as a coach, I think it's overdue.  I get the feeling he is much like Norv Turner, or even his mentor Buddy Ryan...  incredible coordinator, not so great head coach.  He'll land on his feet, but i think this experimwnt has run its course.

[CPantherKing]

5 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

Buddy Ryan needs competent Corners to run his D.

Buddy Ryan would out his GM in the media for sticking his defense with ineffective DEs, 3 rookie DB'S and no competent CB vets. And Buddy would not care about the outcome of his coaching position. Rivera is no Buddy Ryan.

[beastson]

He had like 11 HC interviews before being hired by us. Was that not a sign?

Fake it until you make it?

All I know its one thing to stand there and talk, until game day comes and your team is losing losing losing and you're standing there like a deer caught in the headlights. I look at him as John Fox Jr. When and if we go on a win streak, it's cause of our players just playing better. Nothing he or any of his coaches did.

[Toolbox]

Just now, beastson said:

He had like 11 HC interviews before being hired by us. Was that not a sign?

Fake it until you make it?

All I know its one thing to stand there and talk, until game day comes and your team is losing losing losing and you're standing there like a deer caught in the headlights. I look at him as John Fox Jr. When and if we go on a win streak, it's cause of our players just playing better. Nothing he or any of his coaches did.

He nearly gets fired twice.. and then just to stay here he becomes "riverboat" ron which he happily discards whenever he feels like the heat is off of him.. the guy is mr.monotone and he wants to stay that way.

[bigdog10]

Ron seems defeated. 

Almost like a guy who worked his tail off to develop good young players (aka Josh Norman and KK Short) only to see his GM play hardball at the negotiation table and run one off. Or maybe it's the fact that he's kept this team competitive during a time where all we have heard is we have no money and yet here we sit with a ton of cap room having made no upgrades to the weaknesses on this team. 

I have no inside knowledge of Dave and Rons relationship but I wouldn't be shocked if it is becoming strained. 

[Kakarot]

3 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

Ron seems defeated. 

Almost like a guy who worked his tail off to develop good young players (aka Josh Norman and KK Short) only to see his GM play hardball at the negotiation table and run one off. Or maybe it's the fact that he's kept this team competitive during a time where all we have heard is we have no money and yet here we sit with a ton of cap room having made no upgrades to the weaknesses on this team. 

I have no inside knowledge of Dave and Rons relationship but I wouldn't be shocked if it is becoming strained. 

This. Helped develop Norman into an All Pro CB, then he was outted and stuck with a rookie CB group. He's about to lose KK Short, and knows it. He has not been a good coach this year, but this is not all on him. He wasn't given much help from his GM.