Predictions on firings if we lose this game?

[jfo89]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 11:45 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

I think the opposite. Gentleman is feeling a ton of heat right now from the media. Most are putting this season's failures directly at his feet. If the season tanking continues he's going to need to deflect some of that blame and scapegoat some coaches.

I don't think Gettleman is that type of dude. I feel like he's more the "It starts from the top down" kind of dude.

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not about what Gettleman thinks. The media definitely has an impact on fan perception and when the stadium is half empty and the fan base is blaming the GM, that's when the seat can get a little warm. Gettleman is cocky enough not to care what anyone thinks, but JR is the one who ultimately calls the shots and that man wants to see his franchise before his time expires.

Dave better have a detailed and convincing plan on how he plans to bounce this roster back in a big way next year.

I don't think the fan base has turned on the GM, just because the typical resident huddle complainers are posting overboard right now. Everyone I talk to personally has a lot of respect for Gman.

And Gman doesn't care about what the media thinks because it serves him no benefit at all, not because he is 'cocky' lol (again typical complainer type thinking).

[JawnyBlaze]

People calling for a Shula firing are idiots. Dude produced the #1 offense last year and a top 5 this year.

D is giving up a average of 28 points a game and people are like " fire the offensive coordinator". 

 

This board is full of football retards.

Anyone who thinks Shula + our offense = production is as simple as 1+1=2 is the real football retard. The defense is what's costing us wins this year but the offense isn't riddled with talent holes like the defense is. We have 4 good to great players on defense (Luke, TD, Short and Star) with severe deficiencies at DE and the entire secondary. Our offense has studs at every position, even OL with one of the better tandems at G in the league.


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[LinvilleGorge]

56 minutes ago, run1stdownrun2nddown said:

I don't think the fan base has turned on the GM, just because the typical resident huddle complainers are posting overboard right now. Everyone I talk to personally has a lot of respect for Gman.

And Gman doesn't care about what the media thinks because it serves him no benefit at all, not because he is 'cocky' lol (again typical complainer type thinking).

I had a lot of respect for Gettleman up until this year.  He got cocky, plain and simple.  He got us out of Hurney's cap hell and last year, all of his bargain basement free agent signings worked out perfectly and we made one helluva run. But then, he got cocky. He thought he could do it again. In this league, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. The only unit on this team that we can honestly say improved on paper from last year to this year was WR and that's because we got KB back from injury. Our primary weaknesses were OT and DE and we did nothing to address them. CB became THE biggest weakness when we released Norman very last in the off-season process.  Too late to take advantage of the gained cap space and sign a decent vet. We spammed draft picks like the desperate team we were and we got one keep (Bradberry), one guy who may turn into a decent backup (Worley), and one dumpster fire (Sanchez). We're fielding quite possibly the worst NFL secondary I've ever seen. Gettleman gambled and he lost. Big time. Going forward, we'll have to see if he learns from this experience or if (as I fear) he's arrogant enough to double down on his approach in an effort to prove his philosophy is sound. That'll determine whether he's actually a good GM or if he was just a flash in the pan.

[Bartin]

23 hours ago, run1stdownrun2nddown said:

I highly doubt Gettleman cares about what the media thinks.

I think he does. Remember when he came out to practice at the end of the year and boasted about how good the Oher signing was and said he got killed for that then regarding the WR situation said everyone was wanting him to sign every overage WR out there but he trusted what he put on the roster?

He absolutely pays attention and cares a whole lot or he wouldn't have cared enough to do that.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Bartin said:

I think he does. Remember when he came out to practice at the end of the year and boasted about how good the Oher signing was and said he got killed for that then regarding the WR situation said everyone was wanting him to sign every overage WR out there but he trusted what he put on the roster?

He absolutely pays attention and cares a whole lot or he wouldn't have cared enough to do that.

Yep, he was mighty boastful about how well those situations worked out. I wonder if he'll take his lumps this year in regards to the secondary in particular? Every team has weaknesses and that's just a reality with free agency, draft positions, the hard salary cap, etc. You can't field All-Pros at every position. But, you also can't expect a defense with an average at best pass rush to be able to compensate for a complete lack of an NFL caliber secondary. I think Gettleman put way too much faith in his ability to find plug and play rookies at CB and likely put too much faith in a handful of vets on the team. Namely, CJ to bounce back and have one more good year in the tank, Ealy to build off of his great Super Bowl performance and become a consistent impact player, and Kurt Coleman to be the glue that could hold a very inexperienced secondary together. He probably also counted on Short to show up in a big way during a contract year. None of these things have come to fruition. It was the opposite of last year when all of Dave's gambles worked out perfectly. This year they all blew up in his face.

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

21 minutes ago, Bartin said:

I think he does. Remember when he came out to practice at the end of the year and boasted about how good the Oher signing was and said he got killed for that then regarding the WR situation said everyone was wanting him to sign every overage WR out there but he trusted what he put on the roster?

He absolutely pays attention and cares a whole lot or he wouldn't have cared enough to do that.

Lol I think you are reading wayyyy too much into that to fit your own already biased narrative.

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I had a lot of respect for Gettleman up until this year.  He got cocky, plain and simple.  He got us out of Hurney's cap hell and last year, all of his bargain basement free agent signings worked out perfectly and we made one helluva run. But then, he got cocky. He thought he could do it again. In this league, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. The only unit on this team that we can honestly say improved on paper from last year to this year was WR and that's because we got KB back from injury. Our primary weaknesses were OT and DE and we did nothing to address them. CB became THE biggest weakness when we released Norman very last in the off-season process.  Too late to take advantage of the gained cap space and sign a decent vet. We spammed draft picks like the desperate team we were and we got one keep (Bradberry), one guy who may turn into a decent backup (Worley), and one dumpster fire (Sanchez). We're fielding quite possibly the worst NFL secondary I've ever seen. Gettleman gambled and he lost. Big time. Going forward, we'll have to see if he learns from this experience or if (as I fear) he's arrogant enough to double down on his approach in an effort to prove his philosophy is sound. That'll determine whether he's actually a good GM or if he was just a flash in the pan.

You act like he's signing bargain basement bin free agents because he is cocky or something. It's just not true.

If Gettleman were to completely abandon his philosophy because of one bad year, that would make him a bad GM, not a good one.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, run1stdownrun2nddown said:

You act like he's signing bargain basement bin free agents because he is cocky or something. It's just not true.

If Gettleman were to completely abandon his philosophy because of one bad year, that would make him a bad GM, not a good one.

Fielding an all-time terrible secondary while sitting on over $20M in cap space is something a bad GM does, not something a good GM does. It was all due to his timing on the Norman decision. If he was gonna tag him, he should've been willing to let him play out the season under the tag. If he was gonna let him walk, he should've let him walk early in the process so that we could've put some of that cap space to use signing some CBs who actually had a day of NFL experience under their belt. But, Dave let his ego get the best of him on that one. He wasn't getting anywhere with negotiations and he wanted to show the world that no agent was gonna get one over one him. Meanwhile, Norman hits free agency after all the big spending was over and STILL became the highest paid DB in football while the Panthers get off to a 1-5 start in large part because of a historically terrible secondary after coming off of a Super Bowl appearance.

Nice job, Dave.

[juliosantos]

no one

[top dawg]

Dave's offseason is a lesson in what not to do if you're the defending conference champs with plenty of talent. It's just not justifiable. It's just not.

[gibran newton]

every body on this board doesnt even deserve to be a panthers fan, why the heck would we even be entertaining the idea of losing?? what has gettlemen done that has hurt you guys so bad? bradberry was out that was our problem, we had a superbowl hangover which is completely a real thing, falcons were 6-0 last year and missed the playoffs, our foundational players are still here and this cardinals team is not stellar, what the heck is wrong with you all

[LinvilleGorge]

Super Bowl hangover is a myth. Only two Super Bowl teams have ever started 1-5. Both of them were Panthers teams. Only 12 teams that lost the Super Bowl failed to make the playoffs the following season. We were one of those 12 and we'll probably make it 13.

Missing Bradberry wasn't our issue. Relying on a bunch of unproven DBs protected by a subpar pass rush has been our issue.

We don't have to entertain the idea of losing. We're currently doing it as well as any team in the league outside of the Cleveland Browns.

[gibran newton]

32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Super Bowl hangover is a myth. Only two Super Bowl teams have ever started 1-5. Both of them were Panthers teams. Only 12 teams that lost the Super Bowl failed to make the playoffs the following season. We were one of those 12 and we'll probably make it 13.

Missing Bradberry wasn't our issue. Relying on a bunch of unproven DBs protected by a subpar pass rush has been our issue.

We don't have to entertain the idea of losing. We're currently doing it as well as any team in the league outside of the Cleveland Browns.

superbowl hangover isnt a myth... and we easily could be 4-2, in this league the difference between winning and losing is very small, we just need to play a little bit better and we can win every game, we still have the mvp and our running backs have looked great, bradberry being out was a huge issue because thats the only reason benwikere and zach sanchez were even out there.