Why the hell did we draft Shaq?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 hour ago, Pimpdaddy said:

....Same reason we drafted Thomas Davis...

there were threads almost exactly like this being made about him in 2007/08 because derrick johnson was on the board and he was much more of an impact player much sooner than TD was.  i'd say that ultimately turned out to be a wash.

a lot of people are stuck in this mindset of drafting being a zero sum game where if another team drafts a player who's better sooner than one of our guys then their pick is infinitely valuable and ours is infinitely worthless*.  as if the entire league didn't pass over ryan kalil, KK, etc. for at least one round.  you can't take having even one good player at any one position for granted.  

*or at least that's what i gather from the sixty topics about the same three fuging things that get posted every day on this board.

[csx]

8 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

there were threads almost exactly like this being made about him in 2007/08 because derrick johnson was on the board and he was much more of an impact player much sooner than TD was.  i'd say that ultimately turned out to be a wash.

a lot of people are stuck in this mindset of drafting being a zero sum game where if another team drafts a player who's better sooner than one of our guys then their pick is infinitely valuable and ours is infinitely worthless*.  as if the entire league didn't pass over ryan kalil, KK, etc. for at least one round.  you can't take having even one good player at any one position for granted.  

*or at least that's what i gather from the sixty topics about the same three fuging things that get posted every day on this board.

It's the Whiner line online.

[KDawg004]

I think it's more of the fact that we're investing a lot in that player with a 1st round pick and need immediate production which is true. 1st rounder shouldn't be projects. They need to see the field and contribute. Even more so nowadays with the beasts that are coming out of college. We can keep adding starters to our lineups but Gettleman is drafting backups and plan B's to our upcoming FA's. The latter isn't so bad. But when we have the window we're in now you need impact players in the 1st.

[Kevin Greene]

2 hours ago, pantherj said:

If we don't win a SB with Cam in his prime Gettleman should be tarred, feathered, and barrel rolled right down Mint Street and out of Charlotte. From SB appearance to top 10 draft pick, and Gettleman is staying? Yikes.

As I've said many times the Panthers were the first team to sign the #1 overall pick in the Rookie salary cap era.

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As the final No. 1 pick of the old CBA, quarterback Sam Bradford was grandfathered into a system that let him score a 6-year, $78 million contract before he even played a down. $50 million of that was guaranteed.

When the Panthers used their top pick on Newton a year later, the new CBA limited him to a 4-year, $22 million deal. Since then, Newton has won an MVP award and led his team to the Super Bowl. Bradford has never had a winning season.

The competitive advantage this afforded the Panthers was wasted.

http://blackandbluereview.com/cam-newton-sam-bradford-contract-differences/

[csx]

6 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

As I've said many times the Panthers were the first team to sign the #1 overall pick in the Rookie salary cap era.

The competitive advantage this afforded the Panthers was wasted.

http://blackandbluereview.com/cam-newton-sam-bradford-contract-differences/

It's not a competitive advantage when at the time we were completely fuged in the cap depth.  It was lucky timing that helped us out of a bind.

Neither the Colts or Redskins have done much of anything with that advantage

[Kevin Greene]

1 minute ago, csx said:

It's not a competitive advantage when at the time we were completely fuged in the cap depth.  It was lucky timing that helped us out of a bind.

Negative. You'll recall the year before we drafted Cam, Jerry Richardson being the clever fellow he is gutted the team in anticipation of what he thought was going to be a lockout in 2010. Fug the fans and hence the 2-14 shyt sammich we all had to endure which resulted in the #1 pick. Cap hell started again when the idiot Marty Hurney started handing out massive, long term contracts to running backs and Charles Johnson etc.

[GoobyPls]

15 minutes ago, KDawg004 said:

I think it's more of the fact that we're investing a lot in that player with a 1st round pick and need immediate production which is true. 1st rounder shouldn't be projects. They need to see the field and contribute. Even more so nowadays with the beasts that are coming out of college. We can keep adding starters to our lineups but Gettleman is drafting backups and plan B's to our upcoming FA's. The latter isn't so bad. But when we have the window we're in now you need impact players in the 1st.

Ding ding ding

 

What GM drafts a LB in the first round to be a 4 year bench warmer/developmental plan? It's unheard of 

Why are we drafting a LB when you play in one of the most pass heavy conferences in the NFL? You know damn well it's impossible to use 3 LB at once.

[FootballLivesMatter]

8 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Because quality LB's that can play like Shaq grow on trees.

 

Yea not much LBs plays on the sideline like Shaq do grow on trees. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Ding ding ding

 

What GM drafts a LB in the first round to be a 4 year bench warmer/developmental plan? It's unheard of 

Why are we drafting a LB when you play in one of the most pass heavy conferences in the NFL? You know damn well it's impossible to use 3 LB at once.

LANDON COLLINS!!!!!

[Snake]

8 hours ago, beastson said:

It might be about that time to change to a 3-4 honestly. With a 3-4 we can keep 3 linebackers and substitute a 4th linebacker for a corner. Not only that but look at the sizes of these players coming from college in to the pro's, its perfect for them to go to a 3-4. I feel like we're not testing Cash and Shaq abilities and right now the traditional 4-3 DE getting sacks isn't the same as it used to be. Only 2 4-3 DE is top 10 in sacks

You really don't understand the 3-4 do you?  Totally different skill set for Lbs. 

[csx]

Cash and Shaq are the anti 3-4 linebacker. they don't fit the mold for inside or outside 

[csx]

5 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

Negative. You'll recall the year before we drafted Cam, Jerry Richardson being the clever fellow he is gutted the team in anticipation of what he thought was going to be a lockout in 2010. Fug the fans and hence the 2-14 shyt sammich we all had to endure which resulted in the #1 pick. Cap hell started again when the idiot Marty Hurney started handing out massive, long term contracts to running backs and Charles Johnson etc.

You could argue that HHurney tried to capitalize he just didn't do it right. CJ was probably not such a bad decision compared to the rbs

[CPantherKing]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Saving cap when you have arguably the two players to get you to the promise land is not wise, honestly I don't mind being in cap hell
With Luke and Cam signed long term, a couple Super Bowl rings outweighs us sucking once they retire. It's better then wasting there primes away with season like this one and 2014.


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People do not get it.

The argument for bringing in Gettleman was to build a consistent winning team by drafting the talent and signing free agents to fill out the roster with the gems found in undrafted/project players.

There is no consistent winning team. There has been a major problem filling out the roster with capable draft picks. The Panthers have been unable to land key free agents with the money they have available under the cap. There has been one gem found in 4 years as an undrafted player/project - Norwell.

Now, there seems to be an acceptance for mediocrity at every level of the team because a group of fans love Gettleman. The man who does not believe windows exist, and there should be a push to win now with Cam and Luke. Apparently, he believes they are never going to wear out or get injured. Windows exist in professional sports, and you must be able to see them and move on them quickly.

If you have a cap strapped year because you made a run at a SB, you run the risk of a losing season. If you choose save money by letting key players walk and loading up on rookies, then you will not make a push for the SB and run the risk of a losing season. Seems like Gettleman goes with the lose-lose proposition.

Gettleman needs to start taking care of the core 12 players on the team instead of holding back from paying them and overpaying for mediocre players to fill out the roster.

Maybe he will shock us and spend money on KK and some key free agents this off season while drafting 8 or more players. History tells us he will not do that, but we will see.

If Gettleman believes Butler, Ealy, Bradberry, Worley, Boston, Coleman, McClain, T.Williams, and Addison are the future of the defense, then we are in for several long seasons of pain.

As for Shaq, I see him making plays. They need to get him on the field more. If that means playing him as SS in 4 and 5 WR sets instead of McClain or Boston, then I am all for it. I know Shaq is better in coverage than Klein or Mayo. No reason Klein or Mayo should be on the field in a passing situation if Shaq is available to pair with TD.

[rhyslloyd]

Because he has cool hair.