Marty Hurney's Draft History

[Saca312]

So, in light of some recent posts concerning Gettleman and questions surrounding his draft picks, I decided to make a reply with all of Hurney's draft choices with analysis. 

So, without further ado, @The_Rainmaker here's that Hurney draft history report I promised you:

2002

	2002
1	Julius Peppers
2	Deshaun Foster
3	Will Witherspoon
4	Dante Wesley
5	Randy Fasani
5	Kyle Johnson
6	Keith Heinrich
7	Brad Franklin

Grade: D

Hurney's first draft here. I really didn't look at this draft much except just my hatred of the Peppers situation, so sorry about my earlier post on that. I got that out of my mind, and looked at this draft with a level head.

You scored on the biggest freak in the draft with the second overall pick in the first round. Hard to miss that. I guess one could ague we get a decent JAG RB committee, but nothing flashy at all. Wesley's a decent CB during his tenure here, but nothing flashy.

Foster's a bust; Panthers let Witherspoon eventually walk in FA even with his talent. So I guess based on the draft, we got a HoF (who was hard to miss with the number 2 overall honestly, so I didn't skew the grading that much) and Witherspoon and an okay corner. Other than that, not so much stuff, reason my grade stays a D.

2003

	2003
1	Jordan Gross
2	Bruce Nelson
3	Mike Seidman
3	Ricky Manning
4	Colin Branch
5	Kindal Moorehead
7	Walter Young
7	Casey Moore

Grade: D

Jordan Gross. Only real bright spot from the draft. Sure, Ricky Manning was servicable for a bit, but then he became the backup for many other teams. Seidman and Nelson were busts. No one else is worth mentioning. Overall a very poor draft yet again, with a high first round pick as the only bright spot.

2004

	2004
1	Chris Gamble
2	Keary Colbert
3	Travelle Wharton
5	Drew Carter
6	Sean Tufts
7	Michael Gaines

Grade: C

Chris Gamble was servicable, and arguably one of our better cornerbacks, so that was a good pick near the end of the first round, though injuries kept him at bay. Gaines was a steal for his draft position, being a servicable blocking TE for a couple of years. Colbert underperformed most of his career, definitely not worth his second round consideration.

2005

	2005
1	Thomas Davis
2	Eric Shelton
3	Evan Mathis
3	Atiyyah Ellison
4	Stefan Lefors
5	Adam Seward
5	Geoff Hangartner
5	Ben Emanuel
6	Jovan Haye
6	Joe Berger

Grade: D

Only reason I even put him at that high of a grade was because he drafted my favorite linebacker of all time; Thomas Davis- the man, the myth, the legend. Love him to death. But otherwise, not much to see. Hangartner was solid with his contributions as a versatile guard/center. Shelton retired early, played only 2 years. Mathis is your Revis of his position; journeyman to the highest bidder. Ellison was a bust. Most others are garbage. 

2006

	2006
1	DeAngelo Williams
2	Richard Marshall
3	James Anderson
3	Rashad Butler
4	Nate Salley
5	Jeff King
7	Will Montgomery
7	Stanley McClover

Grade: B

Decent Draft. Had some serviceable guys from this draft. DeAngelo for one is the main guy, though he later became a lazy fug. Anderson was solid. Salley busted. King was a good player. Only real impact player was DeLo, as a player that pops out. Otherwise, everyone else was either serviceable or duds. Not that much duds though.

 

2007

	2007
1	Jon Beason
2	Dwayne Jarrett
2	Ryan Kalil
3	Charles Johnson
4	Ryne Robinson
5	Dante Rosario
5	Tim Shaw
7	C.J. Wilson

Grade: A-

Really good draft in all honesty, Hurney's standalone best. Jon Beason was a fantastic linebacker for us, though injuries hindered his full potential. Dwayne Jarrett was a bust though. Ryan Kalil is our All-Pro center for us today, and heaves the chains. Charles Johnson has shown flashes of greatness plenty of times, and is a great DE. Robinson busted though, Wilson was a ST ace, and Rosario bounced around on squads. Overall a really decent draft scoring on 2 All-Pros and a quality DE in Charles Johnson. A good spot for Hurney. Now, if only he continued having these years...

2008

	2008
1	Jonathan Stewart
1	Jeff Otah
3	Charles Godfrey
3	Dan Connor
5	Gary Barnidge
6	Nick Hayden
7	Hilee Taylor
7	Geoff Schwartz
7	Mackenzy Bernadeau

Grade: C-

Decent draft. Nailed Jonathan Stewart, but it's a pretty high first round pick and its hard to miss those. Otah was a quality tackle we grabbed, besides his injury prone self, but the value we gave up to get him was catastrophic: considering the likes of Jamaal Charles, and Ray Rice were waiting to be picked in the second round. Godfrey was servicable, but no where near eye-popping good. Connors injuries killed him as well. Everyone else is JAG. Decent, but not impactful.

2009

	2009
2	Everette Brown
2	Sherrod Martin
3	Corvey Irvin
4	Mike Goodson
4	Tony Fiametta
5	Duke Robinson
7	Captain Munnerlyn

Grade: F+

He only gets a F+ instead of F------- because of Munnerlyn and where we got him. Munnerlyn was a great pick for his draft position. 

Other than that, well, um...Goodson? Already had DeAngelo and Stewart though...um...anyone else really that wasn't an obvious bust? Hmmm. Maybe I should change it back to an F-....

2010

	2010
2	Jimmy Clausen
3	Brandon Lafell
3	Armanti Edwards
4	Eric Norwood
6	Greg Hardy
6	David Gettis
6	Jordan Pugh
6	Tony Pike
7	R.J. Stanford
7	Robert McClain

Grade: D-

Unimpressive draft. Greg Hardy is the only brightspot, before he went pyscho, and getting some servicable players for a few years like LaFell, and others, but really most are either depth, busts, or goners. And we all know how the Clausen era went...

2011

	2011
1	Cam Newton
3	Terrell McClain
3	Sione Fua
4	Brandon Hogan
5	Kealoha Pilares
6	Lawrence Wilson
6	Zachary Williams
7	Lee Ziemba

Grade: F+

You got the number 1 overall pick for this draft; pretty dang hard to miss. And lo and behold, Cam Newton was found. Our MVP QB that will be one of the GOATS if we get him some good coaches. Anyhow, as for everyone else; Oh gosh. Busts everywhere. I don't think we really got a single solid starter or backup other than Cam from that draft. That says a lot.

So why the F+? The + is for nailing the first overall pick, since you can't exactly "steal" the number one pick of the draft. Otherwise, everyone else is busts/gone/terrible. People don't really see how bad our other round picks were.

2012

	2012
1	Luke Kuechly
2	Amini Silatolu
4	Frank Alexander
4	Joe Adams
5	Josh Norman
6	Brad Nortman
7	D.J. Campbell

Grade: A-

Not that bad of a draft. Amini was a servicable guard for us before we discovered us some Norwell. Kuechly is our All-Pro once in a generation MLB. Frank Alexander showed flashes before going full retard and being suspended so much. Adams was meh. Josh Norman was our all-pro CB last year, and was a huge product of our fantastic CB coach in Steve Wilks. Brad Nortman was a servicable Punter. One of Hurney's better drafts, and it was his last.

I'll give credit where it is due; Hurney has had a few decent drafts. Most GMs do. But there are many, many instances where he's failed. 

The results sure surprised me with how much he failed though. He's a good first round drafter, but can't find sustainable players later on for the most part. 

Otherwise, far worse than Gettleman by far honestly, and that's WITH Gettleman picking bottom 10 of each round most of the time, and Hurney near top 15 every year.

He's good at picking round 1 picks, and okay at finding talent in rounds 2-3 through a few years, with some random lucky gems here and there. Otherwise, pales in comparison so far with how Gettleman is able to find talent everywhere.

And now Gettleman may be making his first top 10 pick here soon. 

That alone is exciting.

 

[Saca312]

Well, here's some strengths I could see out of Marty Hurney.

• Hurney is a decent first round drafter. When he has near the top 15/10 pick, he seems to nail it on a good guy here and there, with a HoF MLB and QB in his later years.
• He's also given up some substantial value in some drafts. Take a look at the Stewart draft. He got Stewart, but gave up a second round pick and fourth for Otah. Other RBs like Charles and Rice were taken in the second, which could make up for Stewart (as much as I love him), so one has to consider value when picking
• He's not great at finding later round talent. He's only nailed a few here and there, but busted more than not.
• Overall, a mediocre GM, but obviously not the best, especially with contracts. He's done some good things, mind you, but he's done a lot of bad.

[TheRed]

You're preaching to the choir here, and anyway, Rainmaker is shitposting. Stop giving him so much attention.

You can talk about history until you're blue in the face, but Hurney isn't coming back through that door. The days of scapegoating are over with. This is Gettleman's roster. It begins, and ends with him. 

But if you really want to get down to the knitty gritty, no Marty Hurney, no Cam Newton, and no Luke Kuechly.

You wouldn't know anything about it since you've apparently only had an account here since January, but Hurney had a rabid and often blind following the same way that Gettleman has people standing in line to practically blow him off name alone. 

 

[juliosantos]

gettleman is more consistant in finding talent in the draft but hurney had a lot of misses but he also found superstars.  both are meh gms 

[Kakarot]

I don't know if I'd call Foster a bust.

That 2009 draft...yucky

[Saca312]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You're preaching to the choir here, and anyway, Rainmaker is shitposting. Stop giving him so much attention.

You can talk about history until you're blue in the face, but Hurney isn't coming back through that door. The days of scapegoating are over with. This is Gettleman's roster. It begins, and ends with him. 

But if you really want to get down to the knitty gritty, no Marty Hurney, no Cam Newton, and no Luke Kuechly.

You wouldn't know anything about it since you've apparently only had an account here since January, but Hurney had a rabid and often blind following the same way that Gettleman has people standing in line to practically blow him off name alone. 

 

If you want to do the "only had an account since January" thing; I lurked a bit before actually making an account, and I've been surrounded by fans who thought that way. I just think Gettleman has been better at finding draft choices with the picks and value he is given.

He hasn't had the chance to draft those top 15 picks like Hurney has.

So, this is his first year that he gets a top 10 pick. Gee, given his good history at finding talent in the later numbers of each round, I can only imagine he'll nail quite a bit of good picks later on.

[TheRed]

Just now, Saca312 said:

If you want to do the "only had an account since January" thing; I lurked a bit before actually making an account, and I've been surrounded by fans who thought that way. I just think Gettleman has been better at finding draft choices with the picks and value he is given.

He hasn't had the chance to draft those top 15 picks like Hurney has.

So, this is his first year that he gets a top 10 pick. Gee, given his good history at finding talent in the later numbers of each round, I can only imagine he'll nail quite a bit of good picks later on.

Being better than Marty Hurney isn't going to cut it if we end up sucking again next season. Eventually even the most rational fans will turn.

As far as the draft, we need to go heavy for our offense. Hopefully Gettleman can draft an offensive lineman that isn't Edmund Kugbila.

[Smithers]

Gettleman had also been able to find undraftrd talent like Norwell, Cash, etc.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Being better than Marty Hurney isn't going to cut it if we end up sucking again next season. Eventually even the most rational fans will turn.

As far as the draft, we need to go heavy for our offense. Hopefully Gettleman can draft an offensive lineman that isn't Edmund Kugbila.

Trai Turner, Daryl Williams (when healthy) and Andrew Norwell (UDFA) have all been solid OL acquired via the draft process 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Trai Turner, Daryl Williams (when healthy) and Andrew Norwell (UDFA) have all been solid OL acquired via the draft process 

Williams is kind of iffy right now. Hopefully it's just the suckage of the rest of the OL.

I like how people are eager to tout Norwell in how easily we acquired him, but the excuses have been flying for how we sat on our hands with our tackle depth this offseason like there was just no talent available when we had the base of a Super Bowl team to build on. So there should be no excuses for 2017, correct?

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Williams is kind of iffy right now. Hopefully it's just the suckage of the rest of the OL.

I like how people are eager to tout Norwell in how easily we acquired him, but the excuses have been flying for how we sat on our hands with our tackle depth this offseason like there was just no talent available when we had the base of a Super Bowl team to build on. So there should be no excuses for 2017, correct?

I don't know about "excuses" but I do you know that we picked a lousy year to need tackle upgrades. And maybe more than a year.

The free agents available are nothing to write home about, and even the best tackles in the draft aren't considered that great. Consensus among college football watchers is that might be true for several future drafts too since the college systems aren't doing such a great job of preparing tackles for the pros.

In the next few years, good tackles are likely to become more precious than gold.

[YoungPanthers89]

D+ for Peppers, Foster, Witherspoon, Wesley but a B+ for D will, Richard Marshall and James Anderson?

[The_Rainmaker]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know about "excuses" but I do you know that we picked a lousy year to need tackle upgrades. And maybe more than a year.

The free agents available are nothing to write home about, and even the best tackles in the draft aren't considered that great. Consensus among college football watchers is that might be true for several future drafts too since the college systems aren't doing such a great job of preparing tackles for the pros.

In the next few years, good tackles are likely to become more precious than gold.

Last years class is doing well along with others I mentioned in thread earlier, just have to invest. 

Ronnie Stanely 

Jack Conklin

Taylor Decker

Tunsil / Ifedi ( Guards)

[Cpt slay a ho]

Not a Hurney fan but again your grades are off on some players. And like another poster said scapegoating hurney is over with that was the excuse behind the 2014 season but it's been showtime for a couple years now


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