A few good reads on Shula

[Cuttinedge]

27 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Shula performed as well as Rivera and Gettleman performed at their jobs in every year he's been an offensive coordiantor.

Many fans  prefer to have a 1 scapegoat and that they can throw most of the blame on. It's lazy and dumb.

The brunt of the blame belongs to Gettleman and Rivera. 

Shula should shoulder some as well the balance is not there amongst the fans.

Look at this way. If JR shitcanned everyone. 

Shula could possibly get another OC gig,  Ron and Gettleman would have no chance of finding  their same position with another team 

You can't be serious. I'm willing to bet anything if fired he isn't hired by another NFL franchise as a OC. 

When u have very good knowledgeable employees they will advance and better themselves that's life in the real world and in the NFL. So why ain't shula getting any interviews for advancement. Everyone in the NFL knows  he sucks. 

I think part of the problem with the offense not executing plays is because they are disheartened with this rudimentary offense and they feel it's defeated before they even execute the play. Cams reactions and facial expressions say a lot for his disdain of some plays 

Shula hasn't came up with a fix since the super bowl exposed his offense

and entire year and all another team has to do is blitz our offense and we are toast 

[Fox007]

9 minutes ago, Cuttinedge said:

You can't be serious. I'm willing to bet anything if fired he isn't hired by another NFL franchise as a OC. 

When u have very good knowledgeable employees they will advance and better themselves that's life in the real world and in the NFL. So why ain't shula getting any interviews for advancement. Everyone in the NFL knows  he sucks. 

I think part of the problem with the offense not executing plays is because they are disheartened with this rudimentary offense and they feel it's defeated before they even execute the play. Cams reactions and facial expressions say a lot for his disdain of some plays 

Shula hasn't came up with a fix since the super bowl exposed his offense

and entire year and all another team has to do is blitz our offense and we are toast 

just don't...most of us aren't responding because it's laughably preposterous...let the echo chamber echo here.

[usmcpanthers]

I give credit to the offense that Shula created in 2015, but that was only 1 season.I still complained last year about Shula. We easily could of scored 40+ a game and buried teams but we always took the foot of the gas.  My criticism of Shula is his situational play calling and his zero ability to adjust or adapt. We all hate the bombs on 2nd and 1 and the draws on 3rd 12 etc etc. Every time I watch a game 90% of the time I can guess the third down play, Im not an NFL DC! Shula is good at scripting plays but if anything goes awry we  are screwed. 

We knew the oline was weak this year, amazingly weak after oher then kalil went down. We also knew teams would heavily blitz us this year. A good OC would scheme around the weakness, such as slants, hot routes, quick pass, rb outlets, qb bootlegs, screens, delays...anything to slow a blitz down. Instead Shula doubled down on the long developing routes to hope to hit a homerun 2-3 times a game. Shula and Rivera neutured Cam by forcing him to be a pocket passer behind a horrid oline. This was a recipe for disaster. Cam's improv and scramble ability is what made us so dangerous, kept defenses guessing. I know it was done for Cam's health but I believe being in the pocket and not being allowed to scramble sets Cam out to be hurt more. Also it took the fun away from Cam. Cam is great in the pocket when his has time, as we see his MVP form. 

 

What I see is stubbornness from Shula and no will to adjust to the ebb and flows in games. This is why im so critical of him.

[panther4life]

28 minutes ago, Cuttinedge said:

You can't be serious. I'm willing to bet anything if fired he isn't hired by another NFL franchise as a OC. 

When u have very good knowledgeable employees they will advance and better themselves that's life in the real world and in the NFL. So why ain't shula getting any interviews for advancement. Everyone in the NFL knows  he sucks. 

I think part of the problem with the offense not executing plays is because they are disheartened with this rudimentary offense and they feel it's defeated before they even execute the play. Cams reactions and facial expressions say a lot for his disdain of some plays 

Shula hasn't came up with a fix since the super bowl exposed his offense

and entire year and all another team has to do is blitz our offense and we are toast 

Again, he made enough adjustments to put us in a position to beat the Bronco's week 1. 

I just said the odds of him getting hired on as an OC elsewhere is better than Rivera getting another HC job or than Gettleman getting another GM job this year.

I never said Shula was elite or deserving of a Head Coaching position. By my last count there was 3-4 OC's getting interviews for HC coaching jobs. So if we use that matrix, the only OC'S you'd be satisfied with would only stick around for 1 year until they got their "advancement" as you put it. 

I disagree that he should be fired. Most people spin that into me saying he's top notch or something like that which isn't true.

[panther4life]

5 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

I give credit to the offense that Shula created in 2015, but that was only 1 season.I still complained last year about Shula. We easily could of scored 40+ a game and buried teams but we always took the foot of the gas.  My criticism of Shula is his situational play calling and his zero ability to adjust or adapt. We all hate the bombs on 2nd and 1 and the draws on 3rd 12 etc etc. Every time I watch a game 90% of the time I can guess the third down play, Im not an NFL DC! Shula is good at scripting plays but if anything goes awry we  are screwed. 

We knew the oline was weak this year, amazingly weak after oher then kalil went down. We also knew teams would heavily blitz us this year. A good OC would scheme around the weakness, such as slants, hot routes, quick pass, rb outlets, qb bootlegs, screens, delays...anything to slow a blitz down. Instead Shula doubled down on the long developing routes to hope to hit a homerun 2-3 times a game. Shula and Rivera neutured Cam by forcing him to be a pocket passer behind a horrid oline. This was a recipe for disaster. Cam's improv and scramble ability is what made us so dangerous, kept defenses guessing. I know it was done for Cam's health but I believe being in the pocket and not being allowed to scramble sets Cam out to be hurt more. Also it took the fun away from Cam. Cam is great in the pocket when his has time, as we see his MVP form. 

 

What I see is stubbornness from Shula and no will to adjust to the ebb and flows in games. This is why im so critical of him.

He literally has done everything you mentioned in bold and more. To act like we don't run slants, screens, reverses, and other plays is just ignorant. I honestly think you know better than that but to support your argument you throw out these exaggerations, however they aren't true.

[Malt Liquor]

The entire NFL knows that Mike Shula is a shitty offensive coordinator. If they didn't with the number#1 offense, and a superbowl appearance he would've had plenty of head coaching interviews. Nobody wants Shula except Ron Rivera, Dave Gettleman, and Jerry Richardson. I even heard Kelvin Benjamin say after a game l only run the plays that's called.

[panther4life]

41 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Have I ever trusted Shula completely? No, but it's hard to judge him this season when the O-line kept degrading by the week. Lose the war in the trenches and just about any offensive system will break.

I do believe we need more offensive pieces that provide more flexibility on what we could run. Finding better Uglies would help but frankly, what we need most is a semblance of consistency. 

I agree with this and glad to see other reasonable minds speaking up on the matter.

[usmcpanthers]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

He literally has done everything you mentioned in bold and more. To act like we don't run slants, screens, reverses, and other plays is just ignorant. I honestly think you know better than that but to support your argument you throw out these exaggerations, however they aren't true.

The bold section, show me a game where we did those plays more than 2 times during the game?? It was very few and far between and when we did it...it wasnt the right situation too.

[usmcpanthers]

8 minutes ago, Malt Liquor said:

The entire NFL knows that Mike Shula is a shitty offensive coordinator. If they didn't with the number#1 offense, and a superbowl appearance he would've had plenty of head coaching interviews. Nobody wants Shula except Ron Rivera, Dave Gettleman, and Jerry Richardson. I even heard Kelvin Benjamin say after a game l only run the plays that's called.

This went back to my argument. We all know when the oline is healthy Shula calls well. But good OC's can scheme around a weakness in the offense and adjust. NFL seasons are long catastrophic injuries happen, our OC cant always expect the oline to be healthy and clicking (This is also on Gman, we knew this going into the season too ).

 

 

@Malt Liquor I quoted the wrong post, its not a reply to you lol

[usmcpanthers]

49 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Have I ever trusted Shula completely? No, but it's hard to judge him this season when the O-line kept degrading by the week. Lose the war in the trenches and just about any offensive system will break.

I do believe we need more offensive pieces that provide more flexibility on what we could run. Finding better Uglies would help but frankly, what we need most is a semblance of consistency. 

This went back to my argument. We all know when the oline is healthy Shula calls well. But good OC's can scheme around a weakness in the offense and adjust. NFL seasons are long catastrophic injuries happen, our OC cant always expect the oline to be healthy and clicking (This is also on Gman, we knew this going into the season too ).

[ThPantherFan]

3 hours ago, panther4life said:

Now this is not to say Shula is some offensive genius

No, he's not, will not, has ever been.  Fire shula!

[panther4life]

 

8 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

The bold section, show me a game where we did those plays more than 2 times during the game?? It was very few and far between and when we did it...it wasnt the right situation too.

Now you're getting delusional. 

[panther4life]

7 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

This went back to my argument. We all know when the oline is healthy Shula calls well. But good OC's can scheme around a weakness in the offense and adjust. NFL seasons are long catastrophic injuries happen, our OC cant always expect the oline to be healthy and clicking (This is also on Gman, we knew this going into the season too ).

So it's okay for our GM to provide the OC with a shitty o-line, but its not okay for the OC to not have a top 10 offense with a shitty o-line?

[usmcpanthers]

6 minutes ago, panther4life said:

So it's okay for our GM to provide the OC with a shitty o-line, but its not okay for the OC to not have a top 10 offense with a shitty o-line?

I said both are at fault, Gman for not providing a better oline, and I mean better by adding alot more depth. Then Shula's fault for not scheming around the weakness. That isnt a hard argument.