SS Calvin Pryor, Jets, '14 #18 overall pick, likely available via trade

[Ivan The Awesome]

7 hours ago, Nails said:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/should-the-jets-bring-back-calvin-pryor-in-2017-123016

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/65831/disappointing-jets-safety-calvin-pryor-could-be-trade-bait-in-offseason?ex_cid=espnapi_public

https://www.google.com/amp/thejetpress.com/2016/12/30/new-york-jets-bring-back-calvin-pryor/amp/?client=safari

...disappointing jets safety...  That link header man. :/

[Nails]

20 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

...disappointing jets safety...  That link header man. :/

Yet most here want the V E R Y disappointing Matt Kalil who has been in the league two more years and has major injury issues to boot protecting Cam's blindside.

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

You don't get to have two teams here....

Absolutely horrible job of letting Panthers fans who have no clue what it's like to have "two teams" and never care to know what it's like.

Regardless, we need a way to move Coleman back to his natural position as it was obvious that our set-up this season failed. 

It's hard to completely forget about your team before the Panthers. I was a Skins fan for as long as I can remember. I always enjoy watching some of the old games on the NFL channel. Greene, Monk, Grimm, Williams, Riggins, and the list goes on. Was even a fan of Joe Gibbs. 

Could never be a fan of that team in Georgia getting ready to open the sphincter bowl though.  Good to know my instincts as a child were good. 

 

[Soul Rebel]

11 hours ago, MV%doe said:

Nah, I'm talking in general NFL team building, in overall value terms. Example: #1-QB, #2-DE/3-4OLB, #3-LT etc etc. Where would you put SS on a value ranking?

Ahhh gotcha. 

I think the SAF position as a whole needs one stud. Whether it's at FS or SS, I think you need one guy to lock it all down back there. I prefer it to be SS because I like physicality and actually prefer a hybrid 'rover' or 'moneybacker'. I think it's crucial to have these guys in today's NFL to cover the TE or even RBs that get out in the flat, as well as protecting the CBs against WRs. 

Overall, I think there are more important positions. SS or SAF as a whole I would put farther down. A rough rough draft of position rankings for me would be....

QB - kinda goes without saying

DE - you need a monster to get after the QB and disrupt the LOS

OT - pref LT, but that's even changing where RTs are closing the gap on importance with the athleticism of QBs and opposing DEs. 

MLB - captain of the defense usually and the glue of the back 7 to the front 4

RB1 - you need to pound the ball. whether its to set up the pass or just balance out an aerial attack. a RB1 is vital

WR1 - right after RB1 you need a threat at wideout. passing league so you need a weapon for your QB to connect with.

CB1 - see above WR1. must have at least one top notch CB that can run with opposing teams top WR. doesn't have to be Patrick Peterson, but def need a confident CB on one side of the field. 

DT - gotta get push and occupy space in the trenches. also have to be able to neutralize interior running game and open gaps for the LBs and DBs to fire through.

SAF - this is about where I put the position. I think I could make a case for TE or WLB, but having a stud as the last line of defense makes such a difference. If you get the right type of SAF, it could flex into that WLB spot in certain packages. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

12 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

For the Panthers this offseason? ---  SS is 1a, 1b or 1c for me. I think we need a LT, DE and SS equally as bad. LT seems the most important, but with the least amount of impact options available. SS would be a close second with a pass rushing edge DE right behind that. I go back and forth on these 3 positions, but for me a complimentary young SS beside Coleman would solidify our defense.

I'm the opposite, we need to get TE/RB/OL that can control the entire tempo of the game. Secondary play will improve with the growth of the CBs, we need a Veteran Safety like Berry, if not we can use a mid round pick on Safety 

[SOJA]

17 hours ago, rico6 said:

Mike Remmers and #8 for alllllllll dat 

are you crazy- they are asking for a day three pick

[JayNasty]

Looks like a solid tackler and can punish when necessary.  With the attitude of this defense, I say bring him in.    

[LinvilleGorge]

13 hours ago, Nails said:

Yet most here want the V E R Y disappointing Matt Kalil who has been in the league two more years and has major injury issues to boot protecting Cam's blindside.

On a "prove it" deal similar to Oher's initial contract? Sure. We have to do SOMETHING to address depth at LT. I don't think anyone is wanting to hand Kalil any serious guaranteed money. That wouldn't be a very smart risk to take.

[Nails]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

On a "prove it" deal similar to Oher's initial contract? Sure. We have to do SOMETHING to address depth at LT. I don't think anyone is wanting to hand Kalil any serious guaranteed money. That wouldn't be a very smart risk to take.

I'm not against a Kalil signing.  I am against a Kalil signing without hedging the bet in at least one or two major or somewhat major ways.

For this thread I was just pointing out that anyone calling Pryor disappointing but still clamoring for Kalil was hypocritical.

Pryor simply represents one of many ways to skin the SS cat.

[juliosantos]

we dont make trades for players with names

[KDawg004]

Wouldn't give anything more than a 5th.

[Ace_Aladdin]

Trade Devin Funchess for a 3rd pick 

[MV%doe]

On 1/24/2017 at 6:05 AM, Soul Rebel said:

Ahhh gotcha. 

I think the SAF position as a whole needs one stud. Whether it's at FS or SS, I think you need one guy to lock it all down back there. I prefer it to be SS because I like physicality and actually prefer a hybrid 'rover' or 'moneybacker'. I think it's crucial to have these guys in today's NFL to cover the TE or even RBs that get out in the flat, as well as protecting the CBs against WRs. 

Overall, I think there are more important positions. SS or SAF as a whole I would put farther down. A rough rough draft of position rankings for me would be....

QB - kinda goes without saying

DE - you need a monster to get after the QB and disrupt the LOS

OT - pref LT, but that's even changing where RTs are closing the gap on importance with the athleticism of QBs and opposing DEs. 

MLB - captain of the defense usually and the glue of the back 7 to the front 4

RB1 - you need to pound the ball. whether its to set up the pass or just balance out an aerial attack. a RB1 is vital

WR1 - right after RB1 you need a threat at wideout. passing league so you need a weapon for your QB to connect with.

CB1 - see above WR1. must have at least one top notch CB that can run with opposing teams top WR. doesn't have to be Patrick Peterson, but def need a confident CB on one side of the field. 

DT - gotta get push and occupy space in the trenches. also have to be able to neutralize interior running game and open gaps for the LBs and DBs to fire through.

SAF - this is about where I put the position. I think I could make a case for TE or WLB, but having a stud as the last line of defense makes such a difference. If you get the right type of SAF, it could flex into that WLB spot in certain packages. 

Yes this is one of those that has vastly differing opinions among many. My opinion has changed, cause change is constant. I use to list OG at the bottom, but I had to increase the value. My newest bottom is SS. That's why I don't see the value at #8, unless it's a Sean Taylor/Ed reed ver2.349. I do see the benefit to having one stud at safety. Plus having a Luke at MLB, changes the formula too. 

Your list seems to value RB way high, but there is no wrong answer, unless QB isn't #1.... 

[Nails]

Yet another source list this as a possibility.  http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/01/senior_bowl_2017_christian_hackenberg_progressing.html