Football Outsiders Cain Fahey - Panthers receivers are terrible

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Member stories are not facts , get some real evidence then come talk to me.

legal papers?

I've seen some pretty stupid dodges before, but nothing close to saying a report of actual events - acknowledged and confirmed by all parties involved - isn't valid because it's "just a story".

You're being laughed at, kid.

[Darvinsun]

16 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Fans are shouting for talent but it doesn't mean a damn thing if our coaches are poo... unless we find a WR with the talent that Cam or Kuechly have. 

Again, Tom Brady won the Superbowl with a rookie, camp fodder, and an injury-prone slot receiver. Cam can do the same but he can't overcome mediocre coaching AND talent.

I agree..the coaching and talent on the offensive side of the ball is piss poor.  Last yr it was a healthy cam and offensive line and stewart. That over came the playcalling abilities of shula..all the no huddle and adjustments at the line of scrimmage...But it did not excuse the sorry play of the wr who still dropped a number of balls...this yr we were unable to run due to injuries and no threat of Cam..If you don't have good speed receivers you will be eaten alive..Thats what we learned this year on top we have poor edge tackles, and slow developing pass plays. The pass plays should be a mix. Not all long plays. Catch the defense off guard. We suffered in everything last yr on the offensive side of the ball...there were no bright spots.

[Ace_Aladdin]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've seen some pretty stupid dodges before, but nothing close to saying a report of actual events - acknowledged and confirmed by all parties involved - isn't valid because it's "just a story".

You're being laughed at, kid.

The story doesn't confirm  anything, we don't know  the real power structure in the Panther's organization

Like I said legal paper : )

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/panthers-name-dave-gettleman-general-manaer/

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The job has its challenges, as he doesn’t get to pick his own head coach,

 

[Darvinsun]

15 hours ago, panthers1234 said:

I don't think the WR are bad. Its more the OL being less reliable and that affecting Cam's throws

The receivers are bad.Playcalling is not matching their skillset and the line not being able to block pass rushers , but when a ball hits you in the hands and you drop it and you do it in a number of games..i am sorry, you are bad. The receivers we have are slow and of the same style that dont have reliable hands only player 1has that and thats our TE. The only one I would keep is Funchess  because of the youth and at times he his open but not targeted..Benji needs to be a TE but his blocking needs work.

 

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

The story doesn't confirm  anything, we don't know  the real power structure in the Panther's organization

Like I said legal paper : )

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/panthers-name-dave-gettleman-general-manaer/

Richardson asked him to keep Rivera because Rivera was still new at the time. He still retained the power to fire him any year after that, including now.

Ask pretty much anyone covering the panthers and they'll confirm the facts for you.  They'll also confirm that your bulls--t story about Richardson yelling at Gettleman never happened.

Go back to Madden, kid.  You're not very well equipped for the real world stuff.

[Ace_Aladdin]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Richardson asked him to keep Rivera because Rivera was still new at the time. He still retained the power to fire him any year after that, including now.

Ask pretty much anyone covering the panthers and they'll confirm the facts for you.  They'll also confirm that your bulls--t story about Richardson yelling at Gettleman never happened.

Go back to Madden, kid.  You're not very well equipped for the real world stuff.

Still talking in imagination land, please bring real factual evidence.

Legal Papers, but of course you don't know how businesses are run.

Member dont' forget to read my history book CH: 3 on JR.

 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, coaches retire for family reasons all the time. People old enough to actually have a family have no trouble understanding why.

Throw in that Proehl's own numerous statements about the matter and the manner in which the team has handled it show no evidence of any enmity whatsoever.

Yes it's "your theory", and "your theory" is ignorant bulls--t with nothing to back it up.

Name me a young coach who just retired all of a sudden, go scour the internet for that you mouth breathing moron.

 

In the real world a person is not gonna come out and crtisize management when they know it's a bad look when later in life they will be searching for another coaching job. I'm almost willing to be Proehl will be coaching at another team within the next 3 years. 

 

But it since you live in a fantasy land you know nothing about the real world 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, GoobyPls said:

Name me a young coach who just retired all of a sudden, go scour the internet for that you mouth breathing moron.

In the real world a person is not gonna come out and crtisize management when they know it's a bad look when later in life they will be searching for another coaching job. I'm almost willing to be Proehl will be coaching at another team within the next 3 years. 

But it since you live in a fantasy land you know nothing about the real world 

Kevin Greene retired at the end of the 2013 season to spend more time with his family.  He took four years off before deciding to return.

Not a lot of "scouring" required as Greene is a well known name to those of us who have been Panther fans for a long time.  He still gets talked about here fairly frequently.

Numerous other coaches, including Joe Gibbs, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren and recently Gary Kubiak have retired citing their desire to spend more time with their families.  Given the demands of coaching in the NFL, it's a very common thing.

You were saying...

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

you gotta be one dumb fug to think so.

Nailed it in one shot.  :P

[Asurfaholic]

Just reflecting on what I've seen in the last several years of casual observation.....I don't claim to be qualified for a FO position somewhere like so many people seem to be.

But I don't really think we have a gettleman problem, or a Rivera problem. Or even a Shula problem. They have all done some really good things.

I don't even view last season as a failed season. We didn't go 4-12 or worse, and there were enough close games where we were literally one play away from a different outcome. Missing the playoffs was disappointing but we get a chance to score in draft. 

My thoughts about the receivers though are not all gloom and doom either, but I do question why they really seem to struggle with separation. I wonder if some of it was a bit of laziness? Lots of passes seem to be thrown into heavy traffic, and I'm not sure all that is on Cam. The big beautiful ones are the ones where Olsen busts through a seam like he invented the seam and takes a bomb. Others seem almost lucky shots where we won (or lost) a 50/50 ball. What I don't see much of are routes that our receivers fake out a defender to gain multiple steps of distance. 

 

does anyone have a more experienced opinion on the issue of separation? Is it a reciever problem? Coaching issue? Something else?

[tiger7_88]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Numerous other coaches, including Joe Gibbs, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren and recently Gary Kubiak have retired citing their desire to spend more time with their families.  Given the demands of coaching in the NFL, it's a very common thing.

In the college game, Gene Chizik just walked away from UNC after having done a pretty good job there as the defensive coordinator for 2 years.

Reason?  His family still lived in Auburn (from his Auburn days) and he was missing his high school-aged son playing football and other family events traveling back-and-forth from Chapel Hill to Auburn the last two years.

This happens a lot.  Coaching is a high intensity, time-consuming job (especially football).  It takes a toll and there are many coaches out there that eventually decide to walk away even though they love the game because the expense they pay in their family life isn't worth it.

[GoobyPls]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Kevin Greene retired at the end of the 2013 season to spend more time with his family.  He took four years off before deciding to return.

Not a lot of "scouring" required as Greene is a well known name to those of us who have been Panther fans for a long time.  He still gets talked about here fairly frequently.

Numerous other coaches, including Joe Gibbs, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren and recently Gary Kubiak have retired citing their desire to spend more time with their families.  Given the demands of coaching in the NFL, it's a very common thing.

You were saying...

Kevin Greene is not young, Gibbs Dungy, Cowherd? really? you can't be this dense, those guys were coaching for 20 plus years. Good god you are retarded.

 

It not common in any way for a guy whose only been coaching for 6 years to quit, especially a guy in Proehl situation where he wasn't a prominent pro bowl player.

 

 

[SetfreexX]

Our receivers are as good as the OL allows Cam to be. If you guys cant' see that then you're missing the point. With passes coming out high, low, wide due to rushed throws, or QB hits on the release. 

If you think the Pats WR is more talented than what we have you are mistaken. Our issues go back to poor to inexcusable lack of protection fro the QB, and an OC that has failed to adjust based on the lack of OL talent due to injuries. 

You don't lead the league in scoring with ''terrible receivers'' could they have been better sure, but no one was hating on the receivers last year. A more consistent OL got Cam an MVP, and time to throw had GInn scoring 10 TDs in a season, and if memory serves the last receiver to do that for us was #89. 

This is football it all starts up front. 

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, GoobyPls said:

Kevin Greene is not young

Only 6 years older than Ricky Proehl.

And walked away from the Packers at about the same age that Proehl is walking away from the Panthers.

You were saying?