KK Contract - The Decision to Tag

[cam1uvrxoxo]

Help me understand something here.  A lot of people around here seem to think that KK is not in the long term plans of the Carolina Panthers, and that Vernon Butler is being groomed to take his place.  If this is indeed the case, do we really want Short to get the tag this season? He will cost ~13 million (I think) and then he would just be gone the next season.  Wouldn't it just be better to let Butler assume the role, if the plan truly is to let Short walk.

 

To me, it makes much more sense to tag him only if we plan to have him stick around for the long term.  

[Manos]

As we saw last season with Josh, just letting high end talent walk for nothing is a pretty terrible idea. 13 million is likely under market value for what Short would cost so for one year it makes sense to just tag him. Shorts ability and personality fit with the team isn't why people don't think he will be here long term, it's entirely because of age and the contract he reportedly wants from us(basically qb money which would be stupid to give to a DT). So if you can keep him at a fair number for a season while he is still productive it should be a no-brainer.

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[TheSpecialJuan]

[cam1uvrxoxo]

Has Short stated what he would like yearly from a long term contract? I guess that makes sense if he's looking for something crazy like 18-20 million (which is messed up amount of money)

 

I love KB I wish he didnt suck

[LinvilleGorge]

If we have the space, yes it's absolutely smart to tag Short. Gettleman values pass rushers over CBs. You also have to look at our DE situation. It's a complete unknown right now. Both of our starting DEs are going to be free agents. Ealy is the only DE that sees major playing time who is under contract for next season. I think Gettleman may have learned a lesson last season. He cockily let Norman walk and our secondary got absolutely TORCHED early in the season. That's what happens when you're playing a bunch of rookies at CB. I hope we don't make that same mistake on the DL next season. Tag Short and if Butler develops as hoped, let him walk after next season and get a 2018 comp pick.

[X-Clown on 1]

To clarify here, Butler is being groomed, as in present tense.  He is no where near ready to take over for Short.  We need Short badly on our D-Line as he is the most polished and consistently disruptive player.  Star is that type of player too, but you need a second consistent threat to punish teams that decide to double team one of the threats.  Butler is no where near threat level midnight (Pie if you know the reference).

 

[KillerKat]

I had a hard damn time trying to sign Short in Madden. I tagged his ass.

[panthers1234]

5 hours ago, Manos said:

As we saw last season with Josh, just letting high end talent walk for nothing is a pretty terrible idea. 13 million is likely under market value for what Short would cost so for one year it makes sense to just tag him. Shorts ability and personality fit with the team isn't why people don't think he will be here long term, it's entirely because of age and the contract he reportedly wants from us(basically qb money which would be stupid to give to a DT). So if you can keep him at a fair number for a season while he is still productive it should be a no-brainer.

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Let Josh walk for nothing? Please we got a 3rd rd comp pick for him. You gotta learn and understand the game man.

[iamhubby1]

First. There is a real good chance that if we sign KK long term, by the end of that contract, his salary would be right in line with his play. The salary cap will be going up. So, by the time the last few years get here, his cap hit will be right in line with a player of his stature.

 

So, in the next few years, as the cap keeps rising as it has, paying KK will not seem like that big a deal. Ask anyone. Interior penetration is by far the most effective.

 

Up the middle defense is where it is at. KK, Luke, and...a SS that actually works. And our Defense is Championship worthy.

 

Franchise him this year if you must. But a long term deal is ideal. Because KK is an integral part of our Defensive plan. And a few extra dollars is worth the price.

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

if DG lets KK walk, he goes against his whole philosophy that building a championship caliber team starts in the trenches. No way he lets him walk without a tag or a long term deal. he loves his hog mollies

[KillerKat]

9 hours ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

if DG lets KK walk, he goes against his whole philosophy that building a championship caliber team starts in the trenches. No way he lets him walk without a tag or a long term deal. he loves his hog mollies

The tag was only 12.7 Mill in Madden btw.

[pantherclaw]

Assumptions. 

The masses here at the huddle, assumed that Butler being drafted had to mean something about KK, otherwise they can't justify the pick. 

DG doesn't operate like that.  He has no intentions of letting KK walk.