The three players selected right after Ealy

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

  Ealy made Sam SEC DEF player of the year. That statement right there shows all you need to know about your football knowledge. Find any MIZZOU fan that disagrees. There's a reason one went 2nd round and one went almost last. And it wasn't cause one liked guys.

In the 2013 SEC Championship Game I attended, Auburn vs. Missouri, Sam was a total non-factor.  Ealy was the only Mizzou defensive lineman that day that was making any plays (and he made a lot of them).

[GoobyPls]

14 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  He wouldn't have been drafted!!!! That's what you wanted. So he wouldn't be disappearing. GMan wanted CJ off the books. That's how. And in your scenario, he would have been all we had at DE going into 2015. So we would have been damn near locked in to taking one in first. And what does a 40 something pick have to do with anything? 

Yes that's what I wanted. Why would I want a bust on my team. And so what if we took one in the first it's not like Shaq is tearing up the place, Delaire saw more snaps than Shaq. By the the time Shaq becomes a starter his contract will be up.

This guy is really battling to make it seem a like bust was the right pick. It was the wrong pick in 2014 and present day validates that.

[panther4life]

23 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

No, he wasn't.

He was thought to be a fringe-1st, solid-2nd round pick prior to the draft.

DG had just franchised Hardy *knowing* that after Hardy's franchise tag year he was gone, so he was looking ahead to replace him.

There was not a damn thing "WTF" about the Ealy pick except in the minds of the fevered DG haters.

Nobody flat out hates DG to the extent you say they do. The huddle needs differing opinions. You sound like you liked the Ealy pick at the time and thats ok. Some of us didn't but trying to say we are using hindsight simply to bash Gettleman is not true. 

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When the pick came up and Allen Robinson was available I was seeing the future. A nice compliment to Benjamin and not only the best receiving core Cam has had yet but also a young one to grow with him for a long time. I just knew he was the pick. The boom, we take Ealy. I honestly did not do much heavy research on this guy and still have not to the degree that I plan to. Again I remember Gettleman talking about having players who could start immediately with our first 3 picks and said to myself how in the hell is the guy going to see the field behind Hardy and Johnson??

I'd also argue theres way too many blind supporters of every move he makes. This was immature but at the time I was so fuming  mad about the Ealy pick and seeing other huddlers jerk each other off like 2014 was going to be a Super Bowl run. (7-8-1 is what it actually was) heres the other thread I posted.

I can post plenty of examples where I have praised his moves too. I cant post plenty of examples that show I am not trying to say I am someone who belongs in a front office. I assure you, nobody was more pumped about Clausen than I was. That being said I don't go back and tell every huddler who knew at the time it was a bad pick. Well hindsight is 20/20 duh!

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

People love to point to other teams moves

Kinda like the whole point of this thread?

[CWORS]

22 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Agreed.

In 2013, David Bakhtiari was selected the choice after we picked Kugbila in the 4th round.

And, to the specific point of Ealy, why do these same whiners not complain not that we selected Ealy prior to Robinson, but we selected Kelvin Benjamin WAY before Robinson was selected.  Isn't Robinson better than Benjamin?  Why not complain about, instead of picking another receiver, picking the WRONG receiver?  (P.S. The following teams selected WRs in the 2nd round prior to Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry being chosen, i.e. they passed on Robinson/Landry:  Jacksonville (Marquise Lee), Philadelphia (Jordan Matthews), Seattle (Paul Richardson), Green Bay (Davante Adams), Denver (Cody Latimer).  Golly, I wonder how Gettledouche made those teams select the wrong WR?)

Also, somebody mentioned passing John Brown earlier in the thread.  The selection made in 2014 immediately after Arizona selected John Brown?  Trai Turner, Carolina Panthers.  In HINDSIGHT, who do you think Arizona would rather have of those 2 players today?

Fans whining about players not drafted in hindsight years after the fact are just fans looking for reasons to be miserable.

Totally agree 

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Yes that's what I wanted. Why would I want a bust on my team. And so what if we took one in the first it's not like Shaq is tearing up the place, Delaire saw more snaps than Shaq. By the the time Shaq becomes a starter his contract will be up.

This guy is really battling to make it seem a like bust was the right pick. It was the wrong pick in 2014 and present day validates that.

It's not about Ealy. I have stated he was a mistake. You came on here with th ridiculous statement that Ealy was a product of Michael Sam. When the exact opposite is true. My validation is from scouts. Yours is "cause I said so".

   And the other argument is about need at that time. I've shown a logical need at DE, for anyone who thinks past one season when drafting. Nothing more. 

[tiger7_88]

5 minutes ago, panther4life said:

You sound like you liked the Ealy pick

I did because I may be one of the few people in this forum who actually saw him play in person.

The OP who thinks Michael Sam was a better player than Kony Ealy is an idiot.  In 4 years at Mizzou, Sam had 110 tackles, 31.5 TFL, 17 sacks, and 5 forced fumbles.  In only 3 years, Ealy had 96 tackles, 28 TFL, 13.5 sacks, and 6 FF.  Kony Ealy was a MUCH more impactful player for Mizzou than Michael Sam.

And that time I mentioned that I saw him in person?  Against one of the best OL's in the SEC in 2013?  Kony Ealy had 5 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 sack, and 2 FF.  In a Championship Game.  Kony Ealy came to play that day when nobody else on the Mizzou defense even got off of the bus.

So, yeah, at the time I thought he was one helluva value pick at the end of the 2nd round.  Turns out both DG and I were wrong.  It happens.

Here's a point to ponder, however: who's to say Allen Robinson would be Allen Robinson playing in a Mike Shula offense? Considering the WR track over the last 4 years, I might propose that Shula's offense is not conducive to WR success (I may be right, I may be wrong). 

Which is why hindsight comparisons of this type are utterly ridiculous.

[panther4life]

3 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I did because I may be one of the few people in this forum who actually saw him play in person.

The OP who thinks Michael Sam was a better player than Kony Ealy is an idiot.  In 4 years at Mizzou, Sam had 110 tackles, 31.5 TFL, 17 sacks, and 5 forced fumbles.  In only 3 years, Ealy had 96 tackles, 28 TFL, 13.5 sacks, and 6 FF.  Kony Ealy was a MUCH more impactful player for Mizzou than Michael Sam.

And that time I mentioned that I saw him in person?  Against one of the best OL's in the SEC in 2013?  Kony Ealy had 5 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 sack, and 2 FF.  In a Championship Game.  Kony Ealy came to play that day when nobody else on the Mizzou defense even got off of the bus.

So, yeah, at the time I thought he was one helluva value pick at the end of the 2nd round.  Turns out both DG and I were wrong.  It happens.

Here's a point to ponder, however: who's to say Allen Robinson would be Allen Robinson playing in a Mike Shula offense? Considering the WR track over the last 4 years, I might propose that Shula's offense is not conducive to WR success (I may be right, I may be wrong). 

Which is why hindsight comparisons of this type are utterly ridiculous.

Aside from calling the OP an idiot, great post. Although I disagree that many of us are using hindsight to judge the pick, as many did not like it on draft day

[GoobyPls]

54 minutes ago, Toomers said:

It's not about Ealy. I have stated he was a mistake. You came on here with th ridiculous statement that Ealy was a product of Michael Sam. When the exact opposite is true. My validation is from scouts. Yours is "cause I said so".

   And the other argument is about need at that time. I've shown a logical need at DE, for anyone who thinks past one season when drafting. Nothing more. 

This whole thread is about Ealy being the wrong pick and since you came in here with a flawed argument and I shut you down now you are changing the topic. And no DE wasn't a need, WR was a gargantuan need. I think about winning now not the future the NFL is a win now league.

And just like The Golden Calf of Bristol was a better college QB than most Sam was a better DE than most. Funny thing is if you read Ealy scouting report it reads more about potential than actual game tape.

[Skydivingcows]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Fans whining about players not drafted in hindsight years after the fact are just fans looking for reasons to be miserable.

I'm still wishing Gman would have stuck to his "staying put" policy and not moved up for Funchess.  I didn't like it then because he just seemed so good at getting good value without trading.  I wonder if we could have waited on him or just picked Tyler Lockett and if we still wanted a physical receiver we could have grabbed Ty Montgomery for the 3rd we traded away.  I remember wondering why we didn't draft Landon instead of Shaq when it was announced so that whole draft bothered me at the time.  Oh well.

[tiger7_88]

5 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Funny thing is if you read Ealy scouting report it reads more about potential than actual game tape

I have given you the statistics.

Ealy had more impact for the Mizzou defense per game/down played than Sam in their respective careers.

I can lead you to the water.  The fact that you refuse to drink ain't nobody's fault but your own.

[RumHam]

The point is it was recognized as a reach and not a need then, and now it didn't pan out. And we could have went with Landry and be set at safety instead of signing an old man from a shitty colts defense.

[tiger7_88]

Just now, RumHam said:

The point is it was recognized as a reach

No, it wasn't.

Just now, RumHam said:

not a need then

Yes, it was.

[Toomers]

 

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

This whole thread is about Ealy being the wrong pick and since you came in here with a flawed argument and I shut you down now you are changing the topic. And no DE wasn't a need, WR was a gargantuan need. I think about winning now not the future the NFL is a win now league.

And just like The Golden Calf of Bristol was a better college QB than most Sam was a better DE than most. Funny thing is if you read Ealy scouting report it reads more about potential than actual game tape.

Funny thing is. Ealy still produced more while being inconsistent. Another funny thing, the people who wrote those reports, would have taken Ealy. Just like the NFL did. And it was a need whether you like it or not. If you know at least one, if not both DEs might be leaving the following year, you might want to address it. And it's not like he didn't just take a WR. This isn't a video game where you can fix things with the push of a button. In real life, you try to plan ahead. Show me where I have said it wasn't a mistake.