We got better at every position other than WR

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  For me, this hasn't got anything to do with mine or anyone's opinion of the WR group. It's about posting false information to support opinions. I don't care if I agree with a person's opinion or not. Even if I agree, and they post something that I know is false, and present it as fact, I'm going to say something. As I would expect others to do to me. 

That's great and all, but you made your point. The point of this thread however is to ostensibly discuss the state of the Panthers' receiving corps, and I presume that's what most people that view it are interested in talking about.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

I still believe in KB and Funchess. Funchess will have an increased role on offense with Ginn and Brown gone. I found it odd that from all accounts that he had a good training camp but the Panthers decided to put Brown and Ginn ahead of him in the depth chart instead of building his confidence.

Also, I rather add OJ Howard to the offense because he helps all three phases: pass protection, run blocking, and receiving. One of the biggest priorities for the offense is to establish a legitimate  running game without the threat of Cam's legs.

 

The Panthers just need a receiver that could come close to Jarvis Landry, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, or Julian Edelman. Then add a RB in the draft that can catch out of the backfield and work underneath like  Darren Sproles, Danny Woodhead, James White do for their respective offenses. 

 

The Patriots provided the blueprint to beat the Falcons. Robert Alford could not cover Edelman. Their LBs could not contain James White underneath and did not stop Bennett over the seams. 

Unlike some others, I still hold out belief in Funchess as well, but I also realize that he's not a given. That being said, we need to address the position. We need to address it even if he does ball out, because his skill set thus far is more that of a possession-red zone guy like KB than a complete playmaker. At least that's the way I see it.

[Hoenheim]

4 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

I still believe in KB and Funchess. Funchess will have an increased role on offense with Ginn and Brown gone. I found it odd that from all accounts that he had a good training camp but the Panthers decided to put Brown and Ginn ahead of him in the depth chart instead of building his confidence.

Also, I rather add OJ Howard to the offense because he helps all three phases: pass protection, run blocking, and receiving. One of the biggest priorities for the offense is to establish a legitimate  running game without the threat of Cam's legs.

 

The Panthers just need a receiver that could come close to Jarvis Landry, Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, or Julian Edelman. Then add a RB in the draft that can catch out of the backfield and work underneath like  Darren Sproles, Danny Woodhead, James White do for their respective offenses. 

 

The Patriots provided the blueprint to beat the Falcons. Robert Alford could not cover Edelman. Their LBs could not contain James White underneath and did not stop Bennett over the seams. 

So you're basically saying we should draft OJ then trade our 2nds to draft McCaffery or Curtis Samuel with a mid or late first . I could dig that .

Not sure of the panthers org is on board with that though . Notice how all our drafts tend to be defense dominatedin the early rounds ? They have a fixation on early round defense picks . Kelvin was an absolute necessity, so funchess is the only real exception to their early round drafting philosophy .

[top dawg]

That's why I don't believe we'll draft Mike Williams. He's too much in the mold of KB and what we may have in Funchess.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

That's great and all, but you made your point. The point of this thread however is to ostensibly discuss the state of the Panthers' receiving corps, and I presume that's what most people that view it are interested in talking about.

  And during the course of the discussion, someone tried using false, and ultimately meaningless, information to support his stance. I've had discussions with you. And enjoyed them all. But one thing I know is that if I make a statement of fact to back up my theory, you would verify it. Wouldn't you? And if you found something to contradict it, you would say so. And I would give it the respect it deserves.

  All I've asked for is validation of a statement. And have yet to see anything to make me believe I was wrong to question it. 

[GoobyPls]

25 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Bills don't have Harvin. If he signs with them you can re post and say we are one of 3 teams that fit your parameters. But for now, he doesn't exist anymore thaN say Philly Brown does here. We could sign him just like they could Harvin.

  And Gordon will likely never play again. And almost certainly not this year. And since the Browns have said they are done with him, don't see how this could count for anything. Sad attempt.

  And what's the exact arbitrary cutoff here. If we give Perriman a pass,  do we get to count Funch(473) and CJ(475) in our totals. And can we take off players who only got to 510? What's the rules? Where are these goalposts and how do I catch them? 

   Can we sign Smitty to a one day contract and count him? He's played much more recently than Gordon or Harvin.

Harvin is currently on the bills roster by every single website and metric possibly available, so your wrong 

Gordon on the Browns roster and they have no intention of releasing him cause they would have done so last year. So your wrong again

 

The ravens yes, Perroman one yard from 500 and Aikens will likely resign. So yes you technically have one team with the panthers. For now

 

How much times do I have to prove you wrong? Cause I can keep this thread going till it hits 100 pages

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  And during the course of the discussion, someone tried using false, and ultimately meaningless, information to support his stance. I've had discussions with you. And enjoyed them all. But one thing I know is that if I make a statement of fact to back up my theory, you would verify it. Wouldn't you? And if you found something to contradict it, you would say so. And I would give it the respect it deserves.

  All I've asked for is validation of a statement. And have yet to see anything to make me believe I was wrong to question it. 

We all know Goobs talks out of his ass sometimes (though he won't admit it), but his concern over our receivers having such relatively scant production is valid. It's going to be a big year for us in that respect. Someone has to step up. Let's not lose the forest for the trees, that's all I'm saying.

[top dawg]

I am not going to partake in a spin job and psyche myself out. I have to actually see some meaningful production before I'll feel better. All the cherry-picked clips are nice, but Devin Funchess, Charles Johnson and Russell Shepard haven't proven to be anything but marginal depth. Their careers, college included, haven't shown me anything to conclude that we are anywhere set at the position.

[gmonjimbo]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Unlike some others, I still hold out belief in Funchess as well, but I also realize that he's not a given. That being said, we need to address the position. We need to address it even if he does ball out, because his skill set thus far is more that of a possession-red zone guy like KB than a complete playmaker. At least that's the way I see it.

I agree we need a WR opposite of KB and Funchess so I am not interested in Corey Davis or Mike Williams. I want a chain mover that keeps the offense on the field instead of sputtering out.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Harvin is currently on the bills roster by every single website and metric possibly available, so your wrong 

Gordon on the Browns roster and they have no intention of releasing him cause they would have done so last year. So your wrong again

 

The ravens yes, Perroman one yard from 500 and Aikens will likely resign. So yes you technically have one team with the panthers. For now

 

How much times do I have to prove you wrong? Cause I can keep this thread going till it hits 100 pages

   And the lies continue. I just googled Buffalo Bills roster just so the most widely known sites would come up. I've checked BuffaloBills.com, ESPN, NFL.Com, and Ourlads. Still haven't seen Harbin's name. So that's at least 4 single websites and metrics. And pretty big ones. 

  I've already posted Hue Jacksons comments. Nothing more I can do. 

 "Likely" means nothing towards your comments. We could add somebody too. Hope not. And it ain't 500. Still 3. 

[Reebis21]

36 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

The Patriots provided the blueprint to beat the Falcons. Robert Alford could not cover Edelman. Their LBs could not contain James White underneath and did not stop Bennett over the seams. 

Getting Ross, OJ and McCaffrey would be nice. There's a possibility we could get 2 of em. Trading back in the 1st and then trading into the first would be the way to do it. With the TE group being deep and already having Olsen, I'd guess a Ross/McCaffrey combo is what we'd shoot for.

[GoobyPls]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   And the lies continue. I just googled Buffalo Bills roster just so the most widely known sites would come up. I've checked BuffaloBills.com, ESPN, NFL.Com, and Ourlads. Still haven't seen Harbin's name. So that's at least 4 single websites and metrics. And pretty big ones. 

  I've already posted Hue Jacksons comments. Nothing more I can do. 

 "Likely" means nothing towards your comments. We could add somebody too. Hope not. And it ain't 500. Still 3. 

Of course you find anything  it's Harvin not Harbin

Ive already seen the Browns roster, guess what Gordon is on it. But if it helps you sleep at night.

Yep one team like I said in my second comment and by a hair.

 

still 1 and your still full of chit

 

anything else I can shutdown?

[Toomers]

25 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We all know Goobs talks out of his ass sometimes (though he won't admit it), but his concern over our receivers having such relatively scant production is valid. It's going to be a big year for us in that respect. Someone has to step up. Let's not lose the forest for the trees, that's all I'm saying.

You're probably right. The not admitting when wrong is in my wheelhouse of things that drive me nuts. So it's best for everyone if I just pretend he doesn't exist and he can do the same for me. I'm not about pissing contests where the other person doesn't want to hear an opposing view. Sort of wading my way through. So I'll tap out and bow out. Appreciate it.

[Saca312]

28 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Harvin is currently on the bills roster by every single website and metric possibly available, so your wrong 

Gordon on the Browns roster and they have no intention of releasing him cause they would have done so last year. So your wrong again

 

The ravens yes, Perroman one yard from 500 and Aikens will likely resign. So yes you technically have one team with the panthers. For now

 

How much times do I have to prove you wrong? Cause I can keep this thread going till it hits 100 pages

Harvin isn't on any team because he's a free agent this year. He hasn't been resigned to any team. So you're very much wrong on that.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/buffalo-bills/

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Well right now, thing's aren't looking good for Gordon through Hue's comments, but that can always change. Nevertheless it's probably his last chance in Cleveland:

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"He's not going to be with us and we wish him well, but we're moving forward," Jackson said. We're going to move on." -Hue Jackson

You're making yourself look like a huge idiot right now.