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Trade Up: 4th round

Ace_Aladdin

By Ace_Aladdin,
in Carolina Panthers

Trade back up to 4th round.   

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Having selected 4 quality players in the past 2 day and the limited roster space with loaded roster Panthers should trade the remaining picks and move up back to top of 4th round and pick up following TE:

 

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Jordan Leggett: 6'-5" 258 lbs

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jordan-leggett?id=2557885

STRENGTHS

 Outstanding size for the position. Has experience playing in-line, from slot, and as a wingback. Former high school receiver with natural, confident hands to snatch throws out in front of him. Just two drops over final two college seasons. Desired foot quickness in tight quarters. Seam-buster in Clemson's offense. Has feel for finding the throw when working over top of linebackers between the hashes. Able to drop and dig out the low throws. Shows some ability to turn out edge linebackers when he puts his mind to it. Rises to the occasion, with big games against Florida State in 2015 and 2016 and another against Alabama in National Championship. Saw his yards-per-touch increase to 17.1 in 2016.

Jermey Sprinkles : 6'-5" 252 lbs

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jeremy-sprinkle?id=2557886

STRENGTHS

 Combination tight end who doesn't have to leave the field. Has arm length and base to help in pass protection. Effective blocker willing to do the physical work. Snaps into down blocks and secures. Strong hands lead to sustained blocks. Able to engage and sustain against safeties in space. Long frame with room to carry more weight. Has arm length and hand size of an NFL offensive tackle. Big, presentable target over the middle. Plus red-zone worker. Sells blocks on delayed-release play-action. Burrows into holes of zone and protects passes with his frame. Goes down to pick low throws off top of grass. Sneaky build-up of speed in routes. Long strides eat up ground as route progresses. Can pull away from linebackers on intermediate routes. Uses height, arm length, and high-point technique to go way up the ladder and over top of defenders. Nasty stiff-arm after catch. Above-average body control for size.

 

 

Jake Butt : 6'-5" 250 lbs

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jake-butt?id=2557859

 

OVERVIEW

Being an Ohio native who went to play for "that team up north" brings almost as much ridicule as the Wolverine tight end's unfortunate last name. He's learned to deal with both, however, on his way to consecutive second-team Associated Press All-American seasons. In fact, he had the best games of his freshman and sophomore seasons against Ohio State, scoring in each game and totaling nine catches for 110 yards (he had 41 catches for 446 yards and three scores in total in 2013-2014). In Butt's junior and senior seasons, he was the Big Ten Conference Tight End of the Year (51-654, three TDs in 2015; 46-546, four TDs in 2016). Unfortunately, Butt suffered a torn right ACL in their Citrus Bowl loss to Florida State.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

 Has NFL size and steps up big in the passing game. Strong hands are like magnets. Can snatch and secure at the catch point. Tough and reliable when working in traffic. Fearless in the middle of the field and understands how to protect himself and the ball while there. Slick with hands. Has slap move to free himself off line of scrimmage and able to create separation at top of his route with sly push-offs. Sinks into space and chews up zone coverage. Play attributes will help him win in the red zone. Effective in intermediate work adjusting routes according to defensive positioning. Competitive after catch with ability to add to his yardage through force. Team co-captain.

WEAKNESSES

 A little cumbersome getting off the line and into his routes. Very average athleticism. One-speed runner without many gears. Lacks speed to threaten vertically. Upright into and out of his breaks. Acceleration out of his cuts can be slight. Separation often comes from rub routes and scheme. NFL linebackers should be able to stick him in coverage. Limited catch radius. Grabby as a blocker and takes questionable angles up to second level. Allows physical outside linebackers to set strong edges against him. Needs more commitment and work as a run-blocker on NFL level.

SOURCES TELL US

 "He's going to be a good pro. Everyone wants Kelce, Olsen or Gronk but those are elite players. Butt is dependable and will make first downs. They all get better as blockers once they get up here." -- AFC director of scouting

NFL COMPARISON

 Zach Miller

BOTTOM LINE

 In-line tight end with strong, natural hands and the toughness to make a living in the middle of the field as a chain-moving safety blanket. While he's shown ability to operate as an intermediate target as well, he might lack the athleticism and separation to uncover against NFL safeties and some linebackers in man coverage. Butt must improve greatly as a blocker to reach his potential as a Y tight end. However, his ability as a reliable, productive target should earn him an early starter's nod with a chance to become a solid pro.

 

 

 

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2 TE SET

There's the "Y" tight end, which is the name for the in-line tight end, and then there's the "F" tight end, who is comparable to the Z; the F is moved around the offense from slot receiver, to fullback, to even wide receiver but this year class is speical that can do both. The candidates for the tandem pick with Fournette or McCaffrey.  As Bill Parcel mentioned in the 2 TE set breakdown, These TEs listed below will  gives Panther's offense the widget player that provides the flexbility in both running & passing plays by allowing to change formation  with same personal.  

 

BILL PARCEL BREAKDOWN  AT NFL NETWORK

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d80c49f6c/Playbook-Billick-on-2-tight-end-sets

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- In typical 2 TE set you are in a spread alignment with TE on each side, this allows you to run either outside or inside zone run play based on the DE alignment.

- Next it allows you to take one of the TE and put him in the I-Formation as FB,  this gives the offense a hard I-Running game wether it's ISO or Power.

 

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- The real benfit of having a complete TE like Greg Olsen & OJ Howard is the ability to go to 3 WR set  by flexing either TE on weak or strong  side based on defense. By spreading the defense you can run with either lighter box or attack the mismatch defender on the TE. 

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-Whether seeing the # count  is ideal for running play or audibling  to a 3 or 4 wide  aligment that forces defenses into nickel perssonel or passive the versatility of the 2 TE set will allow the offense to be put in the most ideal formation while still allowng it to set physical tone  and control the tempo of the game. 

 

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George Kittles  : 6'-4" 250 lbs

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/george-kittle?id=2558266

OVERVIEW

Kittle's Hawkeyes ties are strong, as his father, Bruce, was a co-captain on Iowa's 1982 Rose Bowl team. One cousin, Jess Settles, was an excellent basketball player for Iowa in the mid-nineties and another is former Iowa and current Denver Broncos tight end Henry Kreiger-Coble. Kittle redshirted in 2012, played in a reserve role in 2013 (5-108 receiving) and 2014 (1-25 receiving). He shared playing time in 2015, starting six of 14 games, catching 20 passes for 290 yards and a team-high six receiving touchdowns. Kittle was an honorable mention All-Big Ten pick last season (11 starts, 22-314, four TD), even though he was limited by a foot injury the second half of the year.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

 Has broad shoulders and waist with a durable frame. Plays in pro-style attack and approaches blocking like an offensive lineman. Comes off the ball with good pad level and strikes with leverage and hands inside opponent's frame. Blocks with good technique and has footwork to get to reach blocks and combos. Hands are confident and sure with just one drop against 48 catches. Able to make sudden body adjustments to poorly thrown balls. Flashes vertical speed to become a seam worker. Physical runner after the catch with more wiggle than you would expect.

WEAKNESSES

 Patterns are inconsistent and he rarely tilts defenders at the top of his routes. Could generate better separation with improved route leverage. Route breaks can be too easy to decipher. Plays fast but seems to be missing separation burst coming out of his breaks. Needs to work back to the ball harder in space. Allows defenders a pathway to the throw rather than sealing them out of the passing lane. Has tendency to keep weight too far forward as run blocker creating opportunity for defender to pull him off-balance.

NFL COMPARISON

 Charles Clay

BOTTOM LINE

 H-back type who lacks the desired size for in-line blocking but certainly has the technique and willingness to do it. He has good hands and flashes an ability to challenge as a pass catcher on all three levels. Kittle has the athleticism and blocking ability to become an effective move tight end if paired in the right system.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, davos said:

Kittle as well.  

I would trade up once more for a guy we want and call it a draft.  Why not?  We've addressed needs and got playmakers.

RB, WR, OL, DE...take the remaining picks and get a mid-4th.   

exactly

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