Kicking choice is "a fluid process"

[Castavar]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

I can't stand Hurney, but I think people are overreacting a little bit too. How can people claim to know that he has no plan when we don't even know what the next move is? Maybe there will be two kickers on the team this time next week, maybe there won't. Nobody here can know one way or the other. For all we know, neither one of the kickers will be on the roster this time next week.

 It's the same with the QB's. Maybe they are sending a clear message to DA with those two young QB's that his seat is not nearly as safe as he probably thought it was and that he could be cut at any time just like Webb was. Maybe he won't be here this time next week. None of us knows. That's just the truth of the matter and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

Maybe because we've seen this show before, and it isn't pretty.

[Jangler]

ain't nobody spilling any fluids over this

[tiger7_88]

22 minutes ago, csx said:

Pick one and move on. Be prepared to make a change. Just do something and move on.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, Castavar said:

Maybe because we've seen this show before, and it isn't pretty.

We have seen bad drafts before, without a doubt, but we had a great kickers while Hurney was the GM. Even when kasay got hurt that year, he brought in that red headed kid ( can't remember his name) who was fantastic and I'm pretty sure he's still starting right now. We did have QB problems with him but that was because he wouldn't or couldn't draft one until he had the #1 pick and got Cam. People always talk about the coaches not being able to develop a QB but you can't polish a turd. The best QB coach who ever lived wouldn't have been able to make Chris Weinke or Pickles a pro bowler. The proof is that none of those guys made it anywhere else either.

[CatMan72]

57 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yeah, I mentioned in another thread about it that we had leverage if we were looking to trade one of the kickers BEFORE the cutdown.  Now, we have none.  Teams know its more trouble for us to try to keep both rather than just let one go, and they know we actually want to let one go...  And as you mentioned, there were more reliable options that were released to the market after cuts, so why would they trade for one of ours?

Thing is, a trade guarantees you get the guy you want while waivers/UFA does not.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Maybe because we've seen this show before, and it isn't pretty.

Pretty much.

Hurney never went into offseasons with any sort of long term plan.  His whole MO was reacting as he went along. Then came the day when Jerry Richardson sat him down and asked him how he was going to fix a team that was off to a horrible start, and Hurney answered that he didn't know.  That was what got him fired from the job the first time.

How you bring somebody back after that is beyond me.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The kicker thing is a facade. It's really a general bitch and moan thread about Hurney and Rivera, and J-Rich to a lesser extent. I guess if we have a good season and Rivera gets another COTY, then people will shut it down temporarily, until the next time, and whisper about how Gettleman is the real reason for the team's success.

So if Gettleman can't be credited with any of this year's success (if it happens) how is it that Hurney can be said to have played any role in Gettleman's first few seasons here?

You can't have it both ways.

[AceBoogie]

11 minutes ago, beastson said:

So what if we have two kickers when the season starts?

Then we have two kickers, it's not like they're taking a roster spot from someone important. I tell you what would suck is keeping one, he plays like poo and then you have none. Because from what it looks like whoever we release will be gone pretty damn quick. The best way to handle it is exactly how it's being handled. No rush to make a move right now. 

[AceBoogie]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

So if Gettleman can't be credited with any of this year's success (if it happens) how is it that Hurney can be said to have played any role in Gettleman's first few seasons here?

You can't have it both ways.

The problem is that most won't give any credit to Hurney. He's not the sole reason why Gettleman had success but he deserved some credit. The narrative here is Gettleman came in and played hero. Whatever happens this season, Gettleman deserves the bulk of the credit or blame. Yet people are already bashing Hurney for what? 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

We have seen bad drafts before, without a doubt, but we had a great kickers while Hurney was the GM. Even when kasay got hurt that year, he brought in that red headed kid ( can't remember his name) who was fantastic and I'm pretty sure he's still starting right now. We did have QB problems with him but that was because he wouldn't or couldn't draft one until he had the #1 pick and got Cam. People always talk about the coaches not being able to develop a QB but you can't polish a turd. The best QB coach who ever lived wouldn't have been able to make Chris Weinke or Pickles a pro bowler. The proof is that none of those guys made it anywhere else either.

Olindo Mare'?

Justin Medlock?

Hurney had Kasay up till 2010.  After that it was a mess.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

The problem is that most won't give any credit to Hurney. He's not the sole reason why Gettleman had success but he deserved some credit. The narrative here is Gettleman came in and played hero. Whatever happens this season, Gettleman deserves the bulk of the credit or blame. Yet people are already bashing Hurney for what? 

So how much of Hurney's early success goes to George Seifert?

And why is it that the longer Hurney had control of the team, the worse we got?

[Hogmolliesmaht]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Olindo Mare'?

Justin Medlock?

Hurney had Kasay up till 2010.  After that it was a mess.

Well yeah. It's not easy replacing a John Kasay. The guy he brought in when Kasay was hurt was not available anymore. The Panthers are not the first team who have had this problem. There just aren't enough good kickers to go around.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Again...not one of us knows how this will play out even though people are acting as if they do. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Well yeah. It's not easy replacing a John Kasay. The guy he brought in when Kasay was hurt was not available anymore. The Panthers are not the first team who have had this problem. There just aren't enough good kickers to go around.

Got that.  Just pointing out that crediting Hurney with always having good kickers isn't really accurate.

He inherited Kasay.  Kudos for Graham, but Graham wasn't the first replacement signed that year.  There was another guy whose name escapes me but who I remember not being good.  When Kasay healed, a lot of people wanted to stick with Graham but it wasn't to be.