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We should of kept our best WR


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Our best WR over the last 2 years....isn't here.  It matters.  It mattered the first time he left.  We admitted it.  We brought him back.  

We are a deep play offense with no deep threat.  It never makes sense but we keep repeating this pattern over and over. 

Ginn isn't great.  He fit here though.   He fit the need our scheme requires. 

And I realize we have guys like Byrd who can run fast.  Either play him and if he can't hang with the starters go get someone that can.  Tired of the same patterns repeating. 

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Our best WR over the last 2 years....isn't here.  It matters.  It mattered the first time he left.  We admitted it.  We brought him back.  

We are a deep play offense with no deep threat.  It never makes sense but we keep repeating this pattern over and over. 

Ginn isn't great.  He fit here though.   He fit the need our scheme requires. 

And I realize we have guys like Byrd who can run fast.  Either play him and if he can't hang with the starters go get someone that can.  Tired of the same patterns repeating. 

You can't be serious?   We have speed at wr that can actually catch the ball more than 50% of the time right now.  For whatever reason Shula choses to send KB or Funchess on go routes instead.    You can't make this poo up.

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Just now, Eazy-E said:

We drafted Samuel and I can't recall sending him downfield once this season.

He is a rookie.  Takes time.  I'm talking about the 2017 season.  Unfair to fault Samuel for the void this year. 

He has a lot to learn.  He could steal Ginn's end around but unfair to think he could step in and take the top of NFL defenses right away 

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Just now, Jon Snow said:

You can't be serious?   We have speed at wr that can actually catch the ball more than 50% of the time right now.  For whatever reason Shula choses to send KB or Funchess on go routes instead.    You can't make this poo up.

Okay.  Name the players we have that have taken the top off NFL defenses? And made the plays then. 

Difference between having guys that can and having guys you hope will. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

He is a rookie.  Takes time.  I'm talking about the 2017 season.  Unfair to fault Samuel for the void this year. 

He has a lot to learn.  He could steal Ginn's end around but unfair to think he could step in and take the top of NFL defenses right away 

Oh I agree but I feel like they are almost forcing him on the field over a guy like Byrd who you mentioned. If you are going to play him now at least send him on a streak once or twice even if it is just a decoy. So far all I have seen from him is that one sweep and a bunch of terrible wr screens.

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53 minutes ago, CRA said:

Okay.  Name the players we have that have taken the top off NFL defenses? And made the plays then. 

Difference between having guys that can and having guys you hope will. 

We dont know because they aren't being used.  Why are we sending the slowest receivers on long routes and the fastest guys go short?   Nothing makes sense.

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2 minutes ago, acaffey said:

I would like to still have Ginn, but there is so much more going on than lack of Tedd Ginn. 

Well it certainly doesn't help to run a vertical play action scheme with no vertical threat on the team.  Basics aren't in place.  Things didn't go well last time we did this either. 

NFL defenses than shut our scheme down.  Repeat of history. 

Cam being rusty obviously hurts to but when he gets healthy opposing Ds simply have an edge now on us because we lack what we need to run our O

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We have deep threat receivers.

We also have a quarterback with a bum shoulder. 

So basically, we could have a dozen deep threat receivers and it wouldn't matter.

We have guys we hope can become deep threats in the NFL.  

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