Rotoworld with some hard truths about cmc

[Eazy-E]

7 minutes ago, Jangler said:

if he winds up being a WR, what's the problem? 

I think too many people get caught up in labels, if change works, whats wrong with change? 

The problem is draft position. If we wanted to convert him to a wide receiver we could have just used a 3rd on a guy like Cooper Kupp. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

I hear you. But I wasn’t referring to one particular play. This has been a habit that the offense has developed. Cam is looking for receivers 30+ yards down the field when there is one or even sometimes two people wide slap open 7 yards from the LOS. It’s a huge problem, especially with space playmakers like CMC, Shepard, and Samuel.

We've been so inept at getting big plays that it really feels like Cam is trying to force it sometimes. 

[UpstatePanther]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We've been so inept at getting big plays that it really feels like Cam is trying to force it sometimes. 

I had the same exact thought go through my head on that 3rd and long that Cam threw to Samuel like 50 yards downfield 

[pantherphan96]

19 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Obviously but when you take a player top ten expectations are usually pretty high. CMC is not anything like what I was expecting. Especially after all the training camp hype.

Experts were clamoring saying he was going to go for 700 and 700 for Christ’s sake.

Stew on pace for less than 700 yards and he was always gonna be the featured back. CMC on pace for 750 yards receiving. Running game as a whole is struggling mainly due to Shula's scheme. 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, UpstatePanther said:

I hear you. But I wasn’t referring to one particular play. This has been a habit that the offense has developed. Cam is looking for receivers 30+ yards down the field when there is one or even sometimes two people wide slap open 7 yards from the LOS. It’s a huge problem, especially with space playmakers like CMC, Shepard, and Samuel.

Dink and dunk football just isn't Cam Newton, and it isn't going to get us to the promised land. At least not with our OC and OL. We desperately need playmakers. Cam is sometimes forcing it downfield because...well... how else are we going to score points if we can't run the ball through our RB's? We drafted an offensive weapon 8th overall, yet we're somehow even worse on offense. How is that possible?

[Eazy-E]

3 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

I hear you. But I wasn’t referring to one particular play. This has been a habit that the offense has developed. Cam is looking for receivers 30+ yards down the field when there is one or even sometimes two people wide slap open 7 yards from the LOS. It’s a huge problem, especially with space playmakers like CMC, Shepard, and Samuel.

It’s an issue with the offense and the bullshit evolution that doesn’t exist. It’s the same offense as last year and unfortunately the underneath guys are the 3rd or 4th reads. The difference this year is no Ginn. The offense maybe wouldn’t look so terrible if we had a wr that could beat a safety deep. This offense has always been run the ball and go for big plays in the passing game and we no longer have the personnel for it.

tldr: fug Mike Shula 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Dink and dunk football just isn't Cam Newton, and it isn't going to get us to the promised land. At least not with our OC and OL. We desperately need playmakers. Cam is sometimes forcing it downfield because...well... how else are we going to score points if we can't run the ball through our RB's? We drafted an offensive weapon 8th overall, yet we're somehow even worse on offense. How is that possible?

[countryboi]

Fantasy football is very touchdown dependent and is a very very poor example of success in actual football.

bottom line this is dumb

[Jangler]

9 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

The problem is draft position. If we wanted to convert him to a wide receiver we could have just used a 3rd on a guy like Cooper Kupp. 

yeah, i get it. But we have what we have, where we got it. If he winds up being a receiver mostly.  I'm really not seeing a problem. 

[UpstatePanther]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Dink and dunk football just isn't Cam Newton, and it isn't going to get us to the promised land. At least not with our OC and OL. We desperately need playmakers. Cam is sometimes forcing it downfield because...well... how else are we going to score points if we can't run the ball through our RB's? We drafted an offensive weapon 8th overall, yet we're somehow even worse on offense. How is that possible?

It’s possible because despite what Farachlombardi and Sanjay say, Mike Shula is a got-damn retard. CMC, Shepard, Samuel, KB, Funchess, Stewie, and Cam is way too much talent to be having the offensive woes we do. The only two excuses we could make for this offense is Greg being hurt and the inconsistency along the OL. But an offensive coordinator worth his salt would be able to game plan around both issues with the talent I mentioned above. My point, Red, is that we have the playmakers. Our scheme is preventing this offense from taking the next step and our head coach is perfectly fine with it obviously. I predict our offense will get better over the 2nd half of the season as the OL gels more and we get good tape on opposing defenses, especially when Greg comes back. But even then, the philosophy and scheme will remain the same, and it will be our undoing one way or the other. I hope im wrong.

[electro's horse]

Honestly Samuel had a better move today than anything cmc has done all season

[TheRed]

18 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

It’s possible because despite what Farachlombardi and Sanjay say, Mike Shula is a got-damn retard. CMC, Shepard, Samuel, KB, Funchess, Stewie, and Cam is way too much talent to be having the offensive woes we do. The only two excuses we could make for this offense is Greg being hurt and the inconsistency along the OL. But an offensive coordinator worth his salt would be able to game plan around both issues with the talent I mentioned above. My point, Red, is that we have the playmakers. Our scheme is preventing this offense from taking the next step and our head coach is perfectly fine with it obviously. I predict our offense will get better over the 2nd half of the season as the OL gels more and we get good tape on opposing defenses, especially when Greg comes back. But even then, the philosophy and scheme will remain the same, and it will be our undoing one way or the other. I hope im wrong.

You'll get no argument from me about Shula man. We should have made a change this year.

As to my point. I should have worded that a little differently. I wasn't insinuating we don't have talent, but that that we need more guys stepping up on offense. We lack heart. We've seen 7 years of Newton consistently carrying the load, sometimes to no avail regardless of his heroics. It's not going to be a popular opinion here, but we could really use a spark like what Steve Smith routinely brought to the fold.

[Thanatos]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wish people would actually go back and watch that play and understand that despite what that announcer was saying (the same announcer who called Jameis Winston the Brett Favre of this generation) CMC wasn't going anywhere had he been thrown the ball there. David was in great position with a perfect angle. 

You're still wrong having watched it three times now. CMC gets the first easily and given the momentum he has, I'm not entirely sure David catches him at all.

[Thanatos]

15 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Honestly Samuel had a better move today than anything cmc has done all season

I know man and the announcers didnt even see it. That was an awesome juke, he took what should have been a six yard loss and got 12 yards out of it.