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It's funny to hear huddlers talk about audibles

SixMileDrive

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There's something that's about the Panther's fanbase that's been been bothering me for a while now. There's a narrative that Shula will call a play then Cam will get to the line and audible out of Shula's shitty call into something he wants to run. Cam is apparently fixing all of Shula's mistakes.

Problem is....that's not how audibles work in the NFL. At all.

As a NFL QB, unless you are PFM or TB12, almost every option you have available to you pre-snap was designed as part of the week's game plan. 

Each week, the OC & his staff will put together a gameplan consisting of a very small number (~40) of plays from the playbook, choosing plays that his team has executed well and fit what he's seen the opponent's defense do. For those plays, there will be built in audibles and checks. These are determined by opponent and change from week to week. Plays not in the gameplan are not practiced during the week and generally considered off limits as coaches don't want to overload their players. 

So when Cam goes to the line and changes the play to a bubble screen to Funchess, that audible was something that the OC built into the original call to take advantage of a specific defensive look he saw on film. Cam is following Shula's instructions.

I'm not sure if we do this, but some teams will go as far as giving the QB three plays every-time they line up and the QB will choose the right play to run based on the defensive look. Once again, all this is designed by the OC ahead of time.

TL;DR: QB's aren't out there fixing OC's mistakes when they audible, they are doing exactly what the OC is telling them to do.

 

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Yup. I keep a post it note at home just to make sure I stay consistent with panther fan logic.

Good play = Cam audible

Bad play = shula play call

Bad execution = bad play call (say something about run, run, pass even though they only run on first down 50%)

good execution = players bailing out Shula (make sure to slide in some shot at KB here)

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15 minutes ago, SixMileDrive said:

There's something that's about the Panther's fanbase that's been been bothering me for a while now. There's a narrative that Shula will call a play then Cam will get to the line and audible out of Shula's shitty call into something he wants to run. Cam is apparently fixing all of Shula's mistakes.

Problem is....that's not how audibles work in the NFL. At all.

As a NFL QB, unless you are PFM or TB12, almost every option you have available to you pre-snap was designed as part of the week's game plan. 

Each week, the OC & his staff will put together a gameplan consisting of a very small number (~40) of plays from the playbook, choosing plays that his team has executed well and fit what he's seen the opponent's defense do. For those plays, there will be built in audibles and checks. These are determined by opponent and change from week to week. Plays not in the gameplan are not practiced during the week and generally considered off limits as coaches don't want to overload their players. 

So when Cam goes to the line and changes the play to a bubble screen to Funchess, that audible was something that the OC built into the original call to take advantage of a specific defensive look he saw on film. Cam is following Shula's instructions.

I'm not sure if we do this, but some teams will go as far as giving the QB three plays every-time they line up and the QB will choose the right play to run based on the defensive look. Once again, all this is designed by the OC ahead of time.

TL;DR: QB's aren't out there fixing OC's mistakes when they audible, they are doing exactly what the OC is telling them to do.

 

Peyton Manning and the Denver OC explicitly contradicted this, at least for them.

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I think what a lot of people miss with the Shula hate is that it isn't necessarily the success of the plays called that is brought into the discussion, at least on my part... It is the three main fundamentals of the play called.

A blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes.

When our Shula plays work the way they were fundamentally intended, because of some exploited thing on the field when the play is called, then it was designed well, executed well, and called at the right time.

Shula's #1 nemesis is that he gets one of those three things wrong at least 40-50% of the time most games. 

Sure, execution isn't all on him, but it is a derivative of design to an extent. I will give him a little bit of a pass here but, ultimately, he puts personnel where they are supposed to be whether they are there or not. You have to allow for errors in execution within your design.

We also call poor plays at poor times (ie. 3rd and 1 six yard route passes and then 4th and 1 six yard route passes back to back) because Shula thinks he's fooling someone.

Some of our play designs are just straight up low percentage success potential. It is boom or bust, because when they work, you're like "Damn! What a play" and then the other time or so we run it and it doesn't work, we're like "WTF!??!?!? kind of call was that?"

Ultimately, a fair assessment of Shula is that his offense is boom or bust. Does that make him good? Does it make him bad?

What it does do, is trend towards inconsistency, which I think everyone can see.

 

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4 hours ago, SixMileDrive said:

Which is why I explicitly excluded him above.

I did not see the PFM and TB12, my b. You don't think Arod does this?

 

As far as Shula goes, the issue to me is that we constantly, over and over again, give up leads in the 2nd half that we shouldn't. We let teams hang around. 

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