Just A Reminder About How Much Of An Insane Athlete Jonathan Stewart Is

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, JARROD said:

You don’t know football or running backs if you say like that.

stewart watches for the hole like Bell, then pushes through, just his style.

if he sees a linebacker trolling up to the hole he looks for another.

other backs that don’t have the vision to do that just hit the designed hole, works great if it’s there, not so much when it’s not,.. it’s why they get cut soon after ala Alfred Morris and company.

CAP can’t hold Stewart’s socks, everyone knows it, that’s why he doesn’t play,..period.

people kept saying the same kind of App homer crap for Armanti Edwards and Others,.. they sucked period,.. CAP obviously does too.

You're way too hung up on this college allegiance stuff. I don't care where a guy went to school if he can help us win ON Sundays and represents the organization well. 

I have plenty of issues with Shula, but Stew's burst just isn't the same anymore. That's the biggest reason why he's averaging over a yard less per carry this season than his career average. 

[JARROD]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've always liked Stew, but honestly he isn't even the best/most talented former Oregon RB of the last decade. That would be Steven Jackson. 

Steven Jackson was a good running back but Stewart is light years better and more physically gifted.

we haven’t had a decent offensive line since Jordan Gross retired, yet Stewart maintained the most elusive title and had the most yards after contact.

sports center had the piece where it showed best and worst offensive lines for getting initial yards before contact and ours was the worst at .3 yards.

if we had one of the top 10 and he was posting 4.7 a carry all the time all you guys would still find excuses for the hate.

i have no love of colleges and don’t care about the SEC or ACC for that matter so dont care if he came from PAC 12, too many here do.

[RealisticPanther]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've always liked Stew, but honestly he isn't even the best/most talented former Oregon RB of the last decade. That would be Steven Jackson. 

Dude I can't even take you serious after saying that. Steven Jackson was a good workhorse, but Stewart is miles ahead of him in terms of talent.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're way too hung up on this college allegiance stuff. I don't care where a guy went to school if he can help us win ON Sundays and represents the organization well. 

I have plenty of issues with Shula, but Stew's burst just isn't the same anymore. That's the biggest reason why he's averaging over a yard less per carry this season than his career average. 

Our offensive line gets the worst push in football, their worst ever so that’s a big reason for what you are talking about.

everytime I actually start to believe what you guys are selling he proves me wrong.

this game when Ryan was back the line was working better and we called a lot more unbalanced runs which opened things up for him to go.

We wouldn’t have this conversation at all had he been on a team with good zone blocking that averaged 2+ yards before initial contact like the top 10 do.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, RealisticPanther said:

Dude I can't even take you serious after saying that. Steven Jackson was a good workhorse, but Stewart is miles ahead of him in terms of talent.

The numbers don't lie. Jackson has nearly 50% more rushing yards. Nearly triple the receiving yards. Eight straight 1000+ yard seasons. 

"Talent" is arbitrary. Production is real. 

I actually feel the opposite from the majority in this thread. I think Stew is vastly overrated by most Panthers fans. Anyone who thinks he's up there with the likes of Adrian Peterson, Le'Veon Bell, Ezekiel Elliott, etc. is just delusional. At his best he was a borderline top 5 NFL RB. He was always damn good when healthy, but to hear some Panthers fans talk you'd think he was Walter Peyton or Barry Sanders 

[RealisticPanther]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The numbers don't lie. Jackson has nearly 50% more rushing yards. Nearly triple the receiving yards. Eight straight 1000+ yard seasons. 

"Talent" is arbitrary. Production is real. 

I actually feel the opposite from the majority in this thread. I think Stew is vastly overrated by most Panthers fans. Anyone who thinks he's up there with the likes of Adrian Peterson, Le'Veon Bell, Ezekiel Elliott, etc. is just delusional. At his best he was a borderline top 5 NFL RB. He was always damn good when healthy, but to hear some Panthers fans talk you'd think he was Walter Peyton or Barry Sanders 

......Steven Jackson didn't share carries like J.Stew did with Deangelo and he's also had over 1000 more carries than Stewart on a Rams team who's identity was the run most the time he was there pretty much.

[JARROD]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The numbers don't lie. Jackson has nearly 50% more rushing yards. Nearly triple the receiving yards. Eight straight 1000+ yard seasons. 

"Talent" is arbitrary. Production is real. 

I actually feel the opposite from the majority in this thread. I think Stew is vastly overrated by most Panthers fans. Anyone who thinks he's up there with the likes of Adrian Peterson, Le'Veon Bell, Ezekiel Elliott, etc. is just delusional. At his best he was a borderline top 5 NFL RB. He was always damn good when healthy, but to hear some Panthers fans talk you'd think he was Walter Peyton or Barry Sanders 

Check this, Panthers offensive line in yards before contact through the Minnesota game. That’s including games like Miami where they graded well.

[csx]

Jackson was better. Come people

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

His speed and elusiveness have dropped off , but thats to be expected for a 30 yr old back. Most RBs performance starts dropping off right around age 30. 

I disagree, he seems just as fast but he plays in a entirely different scheme than he did while under Fox. 

[LinvilleGorge]

30 minutes ago, RealisticPanther said:

......Steven Jackson didn't share carries like J.Stew did with Deangelo and he's also had over 1000 more carries than Stewart on a Rams team who's identity was the run most the time he was there pretty much.

Can't knock Jackson due to his availability. We have enough been a run first team Stew's entire career as well. Yes, Stew spent some years splitting carries with DeAngelo but honestly I think one of the big reasons why DeAngelo stuck around as long as he did was due to concerns about Stew's ability to carry the load due to concerns about his durability. Even when he was playing he was oftentimes held out of practice or limited in practice. That doesn't exactly instill confidence in terms of availability. 

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, Snake said:

I disagree, he seems just as fast but he plays in a entirely different scheme than he did while under Fox. 

Quickness and initial burst are a lot more important than pure straight line speed for a RB. Those are the areas where Stew seems to have lost a step or two. He still looks good once he gets rolling, it just takes him longer to get rolling. 

[LinvilleGorge]

37 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Check this, Panthers offensive line in yards before contact through the Minnesota game. That’s including games like Miami where they graded well.

These stats don't occur in a vacuum though. If Stew is slower to hit the hole, that's going to negatively impact this state. Yes, the OL has definitely not looked as good without Ryan, but Stew is hitting that hole slower too. It's not an either or scenario. It's a bit of both. 

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I see you've resorted to hurling insults. I guess you've given up. 

Numerous times the hole has been there and Stew has just been too slow to get there. Honestly, CAP has looked better in his limited opportunities. 

Not a single insult. And thank you for proving my point. You did it perfectly.

[KendrickPanther]

When he rips off big runs its no surprise why... he has space.

There have been so many occasions where Jonathan break multiple tackles in the backfield and fought for a 2yard gain. A lot of backs would have took a loss in those situations. 

If you put him on the Cowboys when Demarco Murray was tearing up the league, he probably gets 1600 yards.