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  1. 1. Which GM will have more successful 2018 draft class?



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51 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

If you look at just the records.  I would agree.  2004 and 2006 we were riddled with injuries, if my rustic brain remembers correctly.   And 7-9 was our worst record prior to 2010.   We cannot place the entire blame on Hurney for the record.   Just as we cannot give DG full credit for our playoff record in the past 5 years.  4 out of 5 years in the playoffs.  Not too shabby.   I think Hurney has as much to do playerwise as DG did.  DG was better a picking the DTs (What were the two DTs Hurney drafted Mclain and Fua?) 

Look I am by NO MEANS wanting to keep Hurney.  I think there are far better options out there and his track record on 2nd round picks was absolutely terrible.

Look, my point isn't that DG was perfect and never made mistakes. 

My point is, when comparing DG and MH, one added the depth and talent necessary to field a winning team more often than not.  The other GM fielded teams that achieved a winning record less than 1/3 of the time.

Add to that...

One of these men was hired within a few months of being fired by JR, the other has never even merited an interview by any of the other 31 teams despite being available for years.

So, whose opinion should reasonably carry more weight when comparing these two? 

Butt hurt, knuckleheaded fans of Smitty and a relatively long in the tooth system CB who believed he deserved to be paid like Cam (after a one good season) and failed to sign his very generous one year contract...

Or... 

The 31 other NFL team owners that failed to interview, much less hire "Cap Genius" Marty Hurney during the last 4 years?

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2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Look, my point isn't that DG was perfect and never made mistakes. 

My point is, when comparing DG and MH, one added the depth and talent necessary to field a winning team more often than not.  The other, fielded teams that only managed winning record less than 1/3 of the time.

Add to that...

One of these men was hired within a few months of being fired by JR, the other has never even managed to merit an interview by any of the other 31 teams despite being available for years.

So, whose opinion should reasonably carry more weight when comparing these two GMs? 

Some butt hurt, knuckleheaded fans of Smitty and a relatively long in the tooth system CB who told the media he should be paid like Cam (after a one good season) and failed to sign his very generous one year contract...

Or... 

the 31 other NFL team owners that failed to interview, much less hire "Cap Genius" Marty Hurney during the last 4 years?

Believe or not but when Hurney was GM Carolina ranked near the top of players drafted and FA signing that were still on the team. (Yeah I wasted hours check it out)  I believe the Giants were the only team that had more players drafted and FA signings than Carolina.   That's not saying they were all Pro Bowlers.   Just saying Hurney kept most of his players he drafted.

Between you and me.  I would take DG over MH every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  

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1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Believe or not but when Hurney was GM Carolina ranked near the top of players drafted and FA signing that were still on the team. (Yeah I wasted hours check it out)  I believe the Giants were the only team that had more players drafted and FA signings than Carolina.   That's not saying they were all Pro Bowlers.   Just saying Hurney kept most of his players he drafted.

Between you and me.  I would take DG over MH every day of the week and twice on Sundays.  

Yes, I recall that as well.  MH, for whatever reason, was unable to walk the fine line between retaining homegrown talent and busting the budget.  That inability left the team without much depth and a lot of subpar players.

This is another reason why MH can't be replaced soon enough IMHO.

 

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2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Let's not forget that JR was pinching pennies in 2010.  The Player Agreement wasn't signed and JR wasn't shelling out any dough for anyone.   2010 is more on JR than Hurney.

Hurney is not my choice for GM by any stretch but to blame him for 2010 is absurd.

Exactly.  And the fat contracts in 2011 were the result of JR not taking to kindly to being called cheap during the lockout and impending fire sale.  I still believe that some of those contracts were JR protecting his image rather than Hurney fugging up. 

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3 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I'll tell you who I won't draft to lead my franchise at #1. A QB with 2 concussions during his college career.

 

      Are you really going to hitch your wagon to this guy?

I want a name 

 

And yes I would, cause he’s that good

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1 minute ago, Smithers said:

Exactly.  And the fat contracts in 2011 were the result of JR not taking to kindly to being called cheap during the lockout and impending fire sale.  I still believe that some of those contracts were JR protecting his image rather than Hurney fugging up. 

Hurney was given ten years, a decade, to demonstrate his abilities as GM and only managed a total of 3 playoff appearances.

Gettleman achieved 3 playoff appearances in 4 years.  

Yeah, let's maintain our high standards by giving that first guy another opportunity to run the franchise into the ground.

Thanks for securing an NFL franchise for the Carolinas JR, but bringing back MH for a second time showed the world you're now completely off your nut. 

Time for both these men to go, post haste.

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21 minutes ago, Smithers said:

To be fair, this team has never had back to back winning seasons...under Hurney, G-Man, or any other GM.  

True, but there is only one Panthers GM that has presided over 4 consecutive seasons without a winning record and also left the team in cap hell for years after his firing. 

What do we need to do to make sure that guy remains in charge?

The rewards of low expectations.

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7 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Hurney was given ten years, a decade, to demonstrate his abilities as GM and only managed a total of 3 playoff appearances.

Gettleman achieved 3 playoff appearances in 4 years.  

Yeah, let's maintain our high standards by giving that first guy another opportunity to run the franchise into the ground.

Thanks for securing an NFL franchise for the Carolinas JR, but bringing back MH for a second time showed the world you're now completely off your nut. 

Time for both these men to go, post haste.

Making the playoffs in 2014 was a product of how weak our division was, not of the team G-Man put together.  We were 7-8-1...we wouldn’t have made the playoffs in any other division that year.  Not even close.  It’s silly to give G-Man credit for that team.

also, Hurneys first two seasons here we were rebuilding. He had next to no talent on those rosters.  G-Man inherited a team full of talent at critical positions (QB, RB, WR, TE, LB, LT).  Huge differences.

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6 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

True, but there is only one Panthers GM that has presided over 4 consecutive seasons without a winning record and also left the team in cap hell for years after his firing. 

What do we need to do to make sure that guy remains in charge?

The rewards of low expectations.

Beating a dead horse.  Most people have agreed that those fat companies tracts were more of a byproduct of JR wanting to prove he wasn’t cheap (as he was being labeled around the NFL right before the impending lockout) than anything else. Almost all of those fat contracts came that offseason.  Prior to that, Hurney did not have a tendency to overpay. 

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