Panther fans have been watching Shula/RonRon ball so long ya'll forgotten what a true #1 WR looks like.

[ragingsea21]

again i say i like Samuel he might be a good decent draft pick but we could have gotten juju. you think the steelers are buying the whole oh usc wide outs are overrated ? hell jackson could have came here and started over what that got. the time is now get some decent young wide outs that can stretch the field for fun and cmc to destroy the underneath not hard but god forbid shula don't know how to do that

[AggieLean]

I’m not even asking for a #1 guy, per se. I just want someone who can make the tough catches, and/or can make something outta nothing. Can make something shake or happen. WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. THAT!!!! Haven’t had it since Smith left

I know he’s a RB, but McKinnon from Minn is a great example. He had a play yesterday, where he was just making folks miss left and right. There is not a player on offense or at Cams arsenal that can do that. CMC lacks the vision to do that right now, but he’s the closest thing we’ve got. 

[Mikey815]

13 hours ago, Teach_Panther said:

It is sad, and we should all feel sad about it. It's like watching a good friend who has been in a bad relationship so long that they have come to see their spouse's abusive behavior as normal.

Let's just say, if prime Steve Smith had been on the field today, ya'll honestly think we have 180 yards passing? Look at what Antonio Brown does for the Steelers. Teams regularly use triple coverage on him.  Ya'll forget what it is like that your #1 WR practically force safety help on every play? Or a guy who's can win the 50-50 ball in tight, single coverage, then break the tackle and take it for a score? How about playing teams in zone coverage and letting your #1 line up anywhere on the field and what a huge advantage that is for an offense? How players like that stretch the defense and open up route trees for the other receivers and the running game?

The bottom line is that in the most prolific passing era in the history of NFL, the Panthers have a front office and coaching staff that doesn't appear to value the most dynamic position in the game.  The only reason it is successful at all is because what Cam does running the football, and this puts an enormous pressure on the QB in the limited opportunities he gets to make a play with his arm.  So, until that changes, you are going to have games like this one, the one against the Bears, etc., where the entire offense looks completely frigging inept because the Panthers literally are inept at a key position in terms of play making potential. 

We definitely need a top wideout the best two passing games were vs New England and Detroit when we still had Benjamin

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’m not even asking for a #1 guy, per se. I just want someone who can make the tough catches, and/or can make something outta nothing. Can make something shake or happen. WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. THAT!!!! Haven’t had it since Smith left

I know he’s a RB, but McKinnon from Minn is a great example. He had a play yesterday, where he was just making folks miss left and right. There is not a player on offense or at Cams arsenal that can do that. CMC lacks the vision to do that right now, but he’s the closest thing we’ve got. 

Look at noodle arm Matt Ryan. He just dumps off passes at or a little beyond the LOS and his receivers get the offense a first down. Then he can just chuck it up for Julio who more often than not makes an absurd catch.

We've seen flashes of this here from time to time, but never consistently.

Ultimately I was a big KB guy, but long term I don't think he was who we needed. He had the ability to make those insane catches, but he was just far too inconsistent and frankly slow. So here we are back to the drawing board at WR1. But we still have fans willing to fall on their swords for people from the Panthers front office current and former. Yikes.

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’m not even asking for a #1 guy, per se. I just want someone who can make the tough catches, and/or can make something outta nothing. Can make something shake or happen. WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. THAT!!!! Haven’t had it since Smith left

I know he’s a RB, but McKinnon from Minn is a great example. He had a play yesterday, where he was just making folks miss left and right. There is not a player on offense or at Cams arsenal that can do that. CMC lacks the vision to do that right now, but he’s the closest thing we’ve got. 

At this point we’d have a better chance when Stewart is back to put Fozzy and CMac on the field as receivers.

If Shula could do the double tightend sets(he’s too stupid, so back up Sanjay), we would have Funchess Dickson Olsen and CMac for receivers and Stewart in the backfield.

i think this gives us our best hands and best speed. Dickson should be the tightend and Olsen should be moved around with CMac 

clay and Sheppard are worthless so we need our best hands on the field. I would use Bersin to spell Olsen and Fozzy to spell CMac.

actually if we don’t activate Sheppard we can bring CAP to spell Stewart. 

Just my armchair opinion

 

[AggieLean]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

At this point we’d have a better chance when Stewart is back to put Fozzy and CMac on the field as receivers.

If Shula could do the double tightend sets(he’s too stupid, so back up Sanjay), we would have Funchess Dickson Olsen and CMac for receivers and Stewart in the backfield.

i think this gives us our best hands and best speed. Dickson should be the tightend and Olsen should be moved around with CMac 

clay and Sheppard are worthless so we need our best hands on the field. I would use Bersin to spell Olsen and Fozzy to spell CMac.

actually if we don’t activate Sheppard we can bring CAP to spell Stewart. 

Just my armchair opinion

 

Only problem with this is now we have no speed or threat of it. It’s almost like we have to drag Clay’s useless butt out there, because he atleast presents a threat. Clay is a wasted body out there, because he can’t catch and his route running is shaky. Our offense is just a mess. 

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, AggieLean said:

Only problem with this is now we have no speed or threat of it. It’s almost like we have to drag Clay’s useless butt out there, because he atleast presents a threat. Clay is a wasted body out there, because he can’t catch and his route running is shaky. Our offense is just a mess. 

If I have to see another pass chink off the shoulder pads of one of these scrubs.....

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, AggieLean said:

Only problem with this is now we have no speed or threat of it. It’s almost like we have to drag Clay’s useless butt out there, because he atleast presents a threat. Clay is a wasted body out there, because he can’t catch and his route running is shaky. Our offense is just a mess. 

Yep we have no one to take the top off, CMac is probably the only one who could gain attention, and Olsen.

olsen is only maybe 60%, was a 4.5 tightend when he’s healthy.

what I said though is our best shot. Having Clay and Sheppard is a waste of active roster.

 

[AggieLean]

4 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

If I have to see another pass chink off the shoulder pads of one of these scrubs.....

Man!!! 

This has me dying laughing, but it’s so true. I know it seems like I’m picking on Clay, but he’s the worst of the bunch and shouldn’t be out there period. I’ve seem numerous times where the ball will clink off his shoulder pads as he’s trying to body catch the ball.

[ncfan]

12 hours ago, JARROD said:

I wanted to draft Juju as I already said elsewhere, almost threw up when we drafted Samuel—

we do need a whole new receiving corps.

i am tongue in cheek joking but serious when I say Bersin is our best receiver right now.

thats Truly pathetic

Same

I wanted Chris Godwin really bad.

Was never high on Samuel.  Was a raw prospect who never fully played WR

 

Watching Godwin start to tear it up now hes getting healthy makes me sick.

Dude torched us last week, and torched the saints inlcluding a 39 yard game winning TD with :09 left

[ncfan]

13 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Get him a friend to take the load off.

 

I was pretty high Fumagalli 

Not so much anymore.  Hes really fallen this year.  Went to the Orange Bowl and really kept ny eye on him.  

Reminds me of Olsen this year in really struggling to get separation (Olsen I think is due to his foot still hindering him a little and will be fine next year)

If were looking to get another weapon early you get this kid

Athletic play maker with deep speed

And actually a WR not a project like this year 2nd rounder who was a athlete still learning to be a WR (route tree etc, though Route tree doesnt mean much considering Shula has them running to the same spot)

 

[electro's horse]

13 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Rivera is stuck in the past. Remember who he played for and how they were succesful. But richardson hired him so it just falls even further back in my opinion. 

I mean yeah. They’ve been playing like this for 22 years. Richardson is the common thread through all of that. 

[top dawg]

13 hours ago, Teach_Panther said:

It is sad, and we should all feel sad about it. It's like watching a good friend who has been in a bad relationship so long that they have come to see their spouse's abusive behavior as normal.

Let's just say, if prime Steve Smith had been on the field today, ya'll honestly think we have 180 yards passing? Look at what Antonio Brown does for the Steelers. Teams regularly use triple coverage on him.  Ya'll forget what it is like that your #1 WR practically force safety help on every play? Or a guy who's can win the 50-50 ball in tight, single coverage, then break the tackle and take it for a score? How about playing teams in zone coverage and letting your #1 line up anywhere on the field and what a huge advantage that is for an offense? How players like that stretch the defense and open up route trees for the other receivers and the running game?

The bottom line is that in the most prolific passing era in the history of NFL, the Panthers have a front office and coaching staff that doesn't appear to value the most dynamic position in the game.  The only reason it is successful at all is because what Cam does running the football, and this puts an enormous pressure on the QB in the limited opportunities he gets to make a play with his arm.  So, until that changes, you are going to have games like this one, the one against the Bears, etc., where the entire offense looks completely frigging inept because the Panthers literally are inept at a key position in terms of play making potential. 

I've said this in so many words for years upon years, but I will say that 89 was one of a kind and that there aren't probably 5-7 true number 1 receivers in the league today. Smitty spoiled us, and receivers that have a consistent impact upon the game like he did are rare indeed.  The thing is though,  at least in my opinion,  is that if you simply have legit playmakers at your X, Y, and Z spots (along with decent depth), and you have a good mix of speed and physicality within your corps, then you should be able to move the chains regardless.  

Half-assing it on your starters and depth at the WR position is not going to get it done, and that's what the Panthers' FO has been doing ever since Moose left the first time. Yeah we have Samuel and Byrd, but if you can't trust them to stay on the field, you have to do more.  The receiver position is essential to have any semblance of offensive consistency on a weekly basis, and having dynamic ones open things up for the QB,  the TEs and the RBs,  as well as for the other players---great, good,  or average---at the receiver position. Having legit and consistent threats at receiver is so important that it can mask deficiencies in the running game,  or be used in lieu of the running game at the occasions where running is just not happening because of tough defenses, stacked boxes or whatever. 

Again: Half-assery at addressing the position is not acceptable. You must have legit threats, or players with upside,  throughout the ranks of the wide receiver position to make people believe---your own, and those of the opposition---that you can and will make other teams pay when they get too stupid with your offense, disrespecting your entire process because they feel that they can (and will if you can't do anything about it with your practice squad level players). 

 

 

[JARROD]

13 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I was pretty high Fumagalli 

Not so much anymore.  Hes really fallen this year.  Went to the Orange Bowl and really kept ny eye on him.  

Reminds me of Olsen this year in really struggling to get separation (Olsen I think is due to his foot still hindering him a little and will be fine next year)

If were looking to get another weapon early you get this kid

Athletic play maker with deep speed

And actually a WR not a project like this year 2nd rounder who was a athlete still learning to be a WR (route tree etc, though Route tree doesnt mean much considering Shula has them running to the same spot)

 

Dude is definitely a sure handed burner. I don’t watch college but like the highlights.

i wonder if he will make it to our picks? I liked OBJ when he was a 3rd, then a 2nd, then he shot up and out of reach.

we do need a real receiver like that. Samuel I feel is more like a smaller Anquon Boldin, going to be good with the underneath routes when he’s healthy but never a true downfield weapon.

we need a Fitzgerald to go with an Anquon.