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Roughly 24 mill in cap space, who stays..who goes

Jmac

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I'm still floored everyone thinks we need a RB...we have CAP who is more then capable to be a solid running back if they give him the damn reps.  Every time he gets rolling, they shut him down.  Save that draft pick for a bigger area of need.  

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9 minutes ago, Dunn said:

I'm still floored everyone thinks we need a RB...we have CAP who is more then capable to be a solid running back if they give him the damn reps.  Every time he gets rolling, they shut him down.  Save that draft pick for a bigger area of need.  

CAP mixes reasonably good runs with WTF moments in near-equal proportions. He hasn't shown he can be anything in this league. You have to be able to pass protect, catch checkdowns, and not fumble simple pitches to play RB in the NFL. 

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As for RB, I almost want to say just use CMC and Samuel at the RB spot and mix up the play calls a bit. If you lock down the interior OL we currently have, then the personnel for a strong interior run game just doesn't exist. So therefore, adjust the game plan offensively and use your new weapons as intended with a different type of offense to move the chains. CMC and Samuel can both be used better and this offense would be quite explosive. Short yardage plays that pick up first downs and could also be much more with guys who have burner speed and ability to make defenders miss. 

Couple that with lining either of them up at WR at times, along with Funchess, Olsen, Byrd....I mean you really just need 1 more guy at WR who can be that solid #1 option. Funchess is a 2, and we know that now. Byrd is a speedster/playmaker but more like a #3. Samuel could be a #2 but if he's 4th on the WR depth chart and 2nd on the RB depth chart, he has great value. Draft or sign the #1 you need, and then you have 6 solid weapons for Cam, and a guy like Fozzy off the bench. If you really want a ground and pound RB there are plenty available late in the draft who can take a handoff and run straight up the middle for 3-4 yards at a time. Let CMC and Samuel handle the rest of the work out of the backfield. Both can run routes, catch the ball, make plays, use their speed, etc. And both can take a handoff or read option and hit a hole fast. As long as there is a hole to be hit.

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Matt and TD if Olsen’s foot becomes a problem. He might have to go as well.  Funchess is soft he proved that yesterday was to busy thinking about the flag instead of fighting back inside to catch the game winning TD that landed at his feet!!!

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2 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

As for RB, I almost want to say just use CMC and Samuel at the RB spot and mix up the play calls a bit. If you lock down the interior OL we currently have, then the personnel for a strong interior run game just doesn't exist. So therefore, adjust the game plan offensively and use your new weapons as intended with a different type of offense to move the chains. CMC and Samuel can both be used better and this offense would be quite explosive. Short yardage plays that pick up first downs and could also be much more with guys who have burner speed and ability to make defenders miss. 

Couple that with lining either of them up at WR at times, along with Funchess, Olsen, Byrd....I mean you really just need 1 more guy at WR who can be that solid #1 option. Funchess is a 2, and we know that now. Byrd is a speedster/playmaker but more like a #3. Samuel could be a #2 but if he's 4th on the WR depth chart and 2nd on the RB depth chart, he has great value. Draft or sign the #1 you need, and then you have 6 solid weapons for Cam, and a guy like Fozzy off the bench. If you really want a ground and pound RB there are plenty available late in the draft who can take a handoff and run straight up the middle for 3-4 yards at a time. Let CMC and Samuel handle the rest of the work out of the backfield. Both can run routes, catch the ball, make plays, use their speed, etc. And both can take a handoff or read option and hit a hole fast. As long as there is a hole to be hit.

Actually, your info is false. How can you say with the personnel we have doesn't exist for us to have a strong run game? According to PFF, Turner was the 19th ranked guard playing 13 games, and having to leave multiple of them. Norwell was the 3rd ranked guard, and Kalil was 31st ranked C playing 6 games, but we all know he's better than that. So, our interior line isn't the issue lol. You have to watch McCaffrey and realize he's not going to be an inside the guard or tackles runner because his explosiveness in that area isn't as quick as it was in college because he's playing ends and linebackers as fast as him or faster. Stewart is sluggish is about finished. You need a new RB to carry the load on 1st and 2nd down if needed, while also being able to get short yardage. We have our for sure 3rd down back. A new RB needs to happen that can handle that load and take some off of Cam. 

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31 minutes ago, simmonsab said:

Actually, your info is false. How can you say with the personnel we have doesn't exist for us to have a strong run game? According to PFF, Turner was the 19th ranked guard playing 13 games, and having to leave multiple of them. Norwell was the 3rd ranked guard, and Kalil was 31st ranked C playing 6 games, but we all know he's better than that. So, our interior line isn't the issue lol. You have to watch McCaffrey and realize he's not going to be an inside the guard or tackles runner because his explosiveness in that area isn't as quick as it was in college because he's playing ends and linebackers as fast as him or faster. Stewart is sluggish is about finished. You need a new RB to carry the load on 1st and 2nd down if needed, while also being able to get short yardage. We have our for sure 3rd down back. A new RB needs to happen that can handle that load and take some off of Cam. 

some good powerbacks in the middle of this draft.  Chubb,  Guice, Freeman, Scarborough, all excellent. And Josh Adams , Rashaad Penny arent nessarily power backs but they have plenty of size and get run through bad tackling and use their weight to go forward in short yardage. Then you have solid all around backs like Damien Harris, Ronald Jones 

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11 hours ago, Seltzer said:

The CJ move is a no brainer. The others could be negotiated.

Team certainly doesn't need an overhaul. 

Need to retain Norwell. Keeping Star would be nice. 

Other needs can be met via draft or reasonable free agents.

Getting Samuel and Byrd back.

Hall and Elder were basically red shirted.

Team definitely has needs, but not this black hole.

Offensive line will be solid outside of Matt Kalil if we keep Norwell.

 

Agree with most of this. Norwell is going to get Kevin Zeitler money, he's all but gone. We plug in Taylor Moton at G next year.

I think Star is a must re-sign because we don't have a replacement for him on the roster.

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Players I would cut:

JStew- too much money and looks worn down. Some of you want him for his veteran presence. You really want to pay that much money for “veteran presence”? Cut bait and go with a younger, cheaper alternative. Can’t be any worse than it was this year.

CJ- no explanation needed

Russell Shepard- See above

Ed Dickson- tired of seeing him drop passes when the opportunity presents itself. Either find a TE #2 or a legitimate blocking TE.

Kurt Coleman- he was dreadful this year. Constantly out of position and can’t tackle. He fed off Norman and our DL. Worthless without either.

 

Safe for now:

Ryan Kalil- has become injury prone and is expensive. But he does lift our OL play. Might as well keep him for one more year and then let him go along with his brother.

Mike Adams- he played decent and is cheap. He’s a solid vet to have in the secondary and only has 1 year left on his deal.

Matt Kalil- the dead cap he would create wouldn’t be worth it. Ride it out for one more year and then release him post June 1st.

Captain Munnerlyn- see above. I believe Corn Elder is the future.

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Cutting Johnson (3.1 M), Stewart (3.7 M), Shepard (2.1 M) and Davis (5.7 M) frees up almost 15 million. 

Restructuring Turner and Addison to years 2022 and 2020 could free up another 2.9 M and 2.3 M, respectively.

This would give us almost 38 million to sign rookie class and free agents for 2018.

Cutting Munnerlyn would put a sizable dent in our cap space.  Coleman could free up 2.75 M, but I don't know how we'd replace him with a better FS for the price.  Unless something becomes too good to pass up, I think we're stuck with him too.

I get that a lot of people would lose their collective minds over cutting ties with Davis, but the time to do that is now.  He's 34 years old, and we have Mayo and Thompson in the wings for the transition.  Cutting him saves us substantially while sending him off with a nice 4.25 M thank you for his amazing service.

Priority signings would be Norwell and Star.  No questions, just make it happen.  If we have enough for a 1 year deal for Peppers, do it to help usher in the redshirts as earlier posters mentioned.

Lastly, sign Silotolu for a dollar and promptly trade him for a ham-on-rye, direct from the dumpster.  Douse it in kerosene and set it ablaze on I-77 Southbound during rush hour.

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