How did the Jaguars lose?

[RealisticPanther]

32 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Jags didn’t lose...the pats won

brady is the best QB ever...period

BTW...nice effort vikes...aints have got to still be just kicking themselves...hehe

Well, that's a hard case to make.

[Panthers8969]

Well when the refs don’t let you run back a fumble...

 

those things certianly contributed to the loss but so fid bad reffing

[pantherclaw]

Their youth and inexperience.

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Analysts have mentioned the following items as contributing to the Jaguars loss to the Patriots.

"They took their foot off the gas when they had a lead."

"They switched from aggressive man coverage to a soft zone."

"They looked lackadaisical in the second half."

"They should have gone for it on fourth and one."

 

Any of this sound familiar?

In other words, they totally Rivera'd it.

[Mikey815]

12 hours ago, beastson said:

Yup add the refs in and panicked when they got down on that last drive going straight to throw only mode, didn't run Fournette once

Fournette only gets 3 ypc so useless

[poorboysrev]

14 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Remember Shula calling repeated long passes at the end of one of our games this year?

I forget which game but I remember we failed to get the first down, turned it over on downs and the game was over.

Eagles game I do believe 

[bewonee]

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Analysts have mentioned the following items as contributing to the Jaguars loss to the Patriots.

"They took their foot off the gas when they had a lead."

"They switched from aggressive man coverage to a soft zone."

"They looked lackadaisical in the second half."

"They should have gone for it on fourth and one."

 

Any of this sound familiar?

Refs fuged them pretty hard too. That blatant hold on the Lewis run wasn't called, and the refs gave NE a TD prior to HT. 

[Chimera]

19 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Aren't long routes used to open up shorter ones by taking defenders deeper? QBs generally decide who they throw it to. I have a hard time believing any OC would suggest a play and tell the QB to throw deep and not consider any one open underneath. But that may be too logical for this place.

I don't know if you have a particular play in mind, so this may not apply. Historically, the big issue against your logic was that we had no one underneath until Cam was already under pressure or on the ground. Backs stay in pass protection, chip a pass rusher, then go out for a short outlet pass. However, opposing defenses know there will not usually be a *quick* outlet pass, so they are not afraid to rush eight. By the time the non-quick, short outlet receiver is on his route, Cam has been sacked.

[xav8tor]

22 minutes ago, Chimera said:

I don't know if you have a particular play in mind, so this may not apply. Historically, the big issue against your logic was that we had no one underneath until Cam was already under pressure or on the ground. Backs stay in pass protection, chip a pass rusher, then go out for a short outlet pass. However, opposing defenses know there will not usually be a *quick* outlet pass, so they are not afraid to rush eight. By the time the non-quick, short outlet receiver is on his route, Cam has been sacked.

There were many, many times this year where CMC in particular came out, chipped as often as not, and was open underneath for a 97% certain 5 to 7 yards, and for whatever reason, Cam didn't take the shot, and when I say whatever reason, I mean other than him being already on the ground, or pressured in such a way that he couldn't make the throw. It just didn't happen and I still don't know why.

After seeing in the Saints game at home in person, I started watching for that throughout the year, and on average, I'd say it was at least two or three times per game, and yes, CMC was wide open...no need to thread the needle. The vast majority of the times I recall this occurring, Cam simply didn't see him, far more often than not, because he didn't look for it. This is not a slam on Cam, or CMC fanboyism, but an objective observation that remains a mystery. It's a pass any benchwarmer can make, so it isn't an ability issue like some have often said. If it doesn't happen as much next season with Turner calling the shots, I might have my answer.

[Peppers90 NC]

2 hours ago, Chimera said:

I don't know if you have a particular play in mind, so this may not apply. Historically, the big issue against your logic was that we had no one underneath until Cam was already under pressure or on the ground. Backs stay in pass protection, chip a pass rusher, then go out for a short outlet pass. However, opposing defenses know there will not usually be a *quick* outlet pass, so they are not afraid to rush eight. By the time the non-quick, short outlet receiver is on his route, Cam has been sacked.

I have a few seasons in mind. But to this year, although undesirable, Shepard was a guy who would often run the underneath crossing route that was a large percentage of the times cleared out and wide open as was others but I recall seeing him the most. Whether the defense didnt respect him as a receiver, or challenged Cam to find him, he was an often available option. Against popular huddle belief, more times than not, there was an underneath outlet to be had. But to acknowledge that would be going against the Shula bashing, and Im not saying that because I believe he was a good OC, but I am saying it because it is reality. These are not meant to be quick passes, these are route level combinations, meant that something is to be open or at worst, one-on-one matchups that would require passes leading the receiver so they can continue to catch and run because the defense cant commit to deep, intermediate or short, if they do, one or another is open. And of course there were times these options were not there, either by bad play design or receivers running wrong routes.

To reference your rushing eight point, that is on the QB to pick that up and call hot routes. Cam has been able to call audibles in the past and has at times done a good job at it and others has not. There is also responsibility put on the lineman for that as well but usually the QB coordinates that at the line. When there isnt a blitz but the line has been beat, it is up to the QB to bide an extra second by moving in the pocket, which is something Cam can certainly improve on. These are small steps, I am not talking about running around, or turning his head away from the receivers.