David Newton talks about Tina Becker and the GM search

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, iamhubby1 said:

Wow dude. You really have taken this to the nth degree haven't you. You have used words like "Puke", and "Disgust" when talking about this. That is a whole lot of emotion, and angst, all over something that you have no control over. 

Someone has to bridge the gap between the Football side, and the Business side of this team. So what if it is Hurndog for the time being. There is just as good a chance, if not close to a sure thing, that the new Owners bring in their own, as there is Hurndog stays. 

You have worked yourself into a pretty good lather over some things that have not, or even may not, happen.

Me? I am going to wait until this all plays. I will then react accordingly, and go about my merry way. Because at the end of the day. This is just Football. 

Yes, it's just football, but it's not very enjoyable football.  Not with Richardson and Hurney still involved.

We had to suffer through several years of Hurney mediocrity before. The day he was fired, there was much rejoicing. The day he was brought back, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  And now it turns out the original firing was just cosmetic.

Darin Gantt has said before that as far as Jerry Richardson was concerned, Marty Hurney was Panthers GM for life if he wanted to be.  If Richardson, or anyone loyal to him, were to remain in charge, we'd be stuck back in the same garbage can of mediocrity we were prior to 2013.

I don't want that.

We all want real improvement and a new direction for this team.  Marty Hurney doesn't offer that.  Marty Hurney takes us back to where we were prior to 2013, and that's not a place we wanna be.

[carpanfan96]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well, noooottt really.

See, this dovetails with something I remember one of the other reporters writing (probably Voth) but that I can no longer find online.  Likely reason?  Richardson doesn't want this story out there.

The original story was that Jerry Richardson asked Marty Hurney what he was going to do to fix things.  Hurney replied "I don't know" and Richardson fired him. But apparently what actually happened was that Richardson was planning to fire Ron Rivera and Hurney agreed to fall on the sword to keep Rivera in place.

A lot of us have long suspected that Richardson never really wanted to fire Hurney and was basically looking for an opportunity to bring him back after Gettleman fixed the team.  This story lends a lot of credence to that theory.

Correct, Rivera was going to get fired. Hurney believed in him, players liked him. JR didn't want to fire him but he took the sword for JR and Rivera. There was an article on it, don't remember where either. 

[GRWatcher]

There's been too much 'riding coattails' in the FO. Too much status quo. Too much smoothing over what apparently were bumpy details. I want that culture changed. I want new owners who will critically look at the organization and make changes that will consistently give us a winning culture and team in Charlotte. No more same old, same old.

Rivera, considered a winning coach by the league, has set himself up to hopefully keep his job with the new owners by hiring Turner and, thus, signalling positive change. I believe Becker is also attempting to keep her job with this GM search as her public positive change. Hurney is not it. She knows this but she is following the rules/procedure, cya. Based on this, I see no media contact as a good thing, let her actions speak louder than words.

At this point in the game, it is all about doing what you can to impress a new owner. your new boss, to keep your job. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Correct, Rivera was going to get fired. Hurney believed in him, players liked him. JR didn't want to fire him bhut he took the sword for JR and Rivera. There was an article on it, don't remember where either. 

Which makes it kind of cringeworthy when Rivera thanks Jerry Richardson for sticking by him.

We don't know whether Rivera knows about this or not. You'd assume so.

[panthers55]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well, noooottt really.

See, this dovetails with something I remember one of the other reporters writing (probably Voth) but that I can no longer find online.  Likely reason?  Richardson doesn't want this story out there.

The original story was that Jerry Richardson asked Marty Hurney what he was going to do to fix things.  Hurney replied "I don't know" and Richardson fired him. But apparently what actually happened was that Richardson was planning to fire Ron Rivera and Hurney agreed to fall on the sword to keep Rivera in place.

A lot of us have long suspected that Richardson never really wanted to fire Hurney and was basically looking for an opportunity to bring him back after Gettleman fixed the team.  This story lends a lot of credence to that theory.

I find it hard to believe that Hurney gave up his job to save Rivera's. If he did that for what he felt was the good of the team that would lend credibility to why he would or should have been brought back. Have you ever heard of a GM falling on the sword and agreeing to be fired to save a coach. Honestly I haven't. He would either have to figure it was only a matter of time before he was fired anyway or cared so much about the team he put the Panthers before himself. I would hope for the latter but think it was the former....

Secondly it makes little sense to be voluntarily fired. If he was good with going to save Rivera he would have resigned unless he sensed everyone wanted blood and only a firing would assuage them. Still a voluntary firing makes little sense.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

I find it hard to believe that Hurney gave up his job to save Rivera's. If he did that for what he felt was the good of the team that would lend credibility to why he would or should have been brought back. Have you ever heard of a GM falling on the sword and agreeing to be fired to save a coach. Honestly I haven't. He would either have to figure it was only a matter of time before he was fired anyway or cared so much about the team he put the Panthers before himself. I would hope for the latter but think it was the former....

Secondly it makes little sense to be voluntarily fired. If he was good with going to save Rivera he would have resigned unless he sensed everyone wanted blood and only a firing would assuage them. Still a voluntary firing makes little sense.

It's been reported by two different inside sources.

And Hurney's been falling on his sword for Jerry Richardson for years (Gantt's alluded to it many a time).  This is not a new thing.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

There's been too much 'riding coattails' in the FO. Too much status quo. Too much smoothing over what apparently were bumpy details. I want that culture changed. I want new owners who will critically look at the organization and make changes that will consistently give us a winning culture and team in Charlotte. No more same old, same old.

Rivera, considered a winning coach by the league, has set himself up to hopefully keep his job with the new owners by hiring Turner and, thus, signalling positive change. I believe Becker is also attempting to keep her job with this GM search as her public positive change. Hurney is not it. She knows this but she is following the rules/procedure, cya. Based on this, I see no media contact as a good thing, let her actions speak louder than words.

At this point in the game, it is all about doing what you can to impress a new owner. your new boss, to keep your job. 

I'm a Rivera critic, but with the changes that he's implemented now, I favor keeping him.

Lord knows he's the nicest guy you could imagine.  Guys like that don't always succeed in the NFL, but you sure do root for them to.

[Paa Langfart]

The depth of the ineptitude on display with this franchise is unbelieveable.  It can not be sold fast enough as far as I am concerned.

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

It's been reported by two different inside sources.

And Hurney's been falling on his sword for Jerry Richardson for years (Gantt's alluded to it many a time).  This is not a new thing.

Lots of things get reported and it doesn't make it true. Give me one reason logically you would publically humiliate someone you supposedly  like by firing them instead of having them resign. The few hundred a week you make on unemployment? That story makes little to no sense at all. I ascribe to the theory of believing 1/4 of what you read and only 1/2 of what you see.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Lots of things get reported and it doesn't make it true. Give me one reason logically you would publically humiliate someone you supposedly  like by firing them instead of having them resign. The few hundred a week you make on unemployment? That story makes little to no sense at all. I ascribe to the theory of believing 1/4 of what you read and only 1/2 of what you see.

Because he asked you to.

And remember, this is not the original story.  They told a whole other story at the time.

[AppHeel]

Rarely do I take David "Brazzers" Newton seriously, but I'll admit, that was pretty solid work on his part

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because he asked you to.

And remember, this is not the original story.  They told a whole other story at the time.

So why would Hurney asked to be fired instead of resigning?

Particularly when he said in response to whether he resigned or was fired at the time that he was absolutely fired and regretted leaving with  a 1-5 record midway through the season.  Richardson has never fired a head coach midseason so why would he do then necessitating Hurney falling on the sword at that point. Richardson has fired 2 GMs abruptly. So what makes sense here?

I could be wrong here but that is a tin foil conspiracy theory I don't buy no matter what insider source said it unless Richardson or Hurney admit it themselves. And even then I would wonder why they would do that.

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So why would Hurney asked to be fired instead of resigning?

Particularly when he said in response to whether he resigned or was fired at the time that he was absolutely fired and regretted leaving with  a 1-5 record midway through the season.  Richardson has never fired a head coach midseason so why would he do then necessitating Hurney falling on the sword at that point. Richardson has fired 2 GMs abruptly. So what makes sense here?

I could be wrong here but that is a tin foil conspiracy theory I don't buy no matter what insider source said it unless Richardson or Hurney admit it themselves. And even then I would wonder why they would do that.

He didn't nor does want to be viewed as a quitter, believe he even made that statement when he was asked if he was fired or resigned. Said he didn't resign as he's not a quitter. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So why would Hurney asked to be fired instead of resigning?

Particularly when he said in response to whether he resigned or was fired at the time that he was absolutely fired and regretted leaving with  a 1-5 record midway through the season.  Richardson has never fired a head coach midseason so why would he do then necessitating Hurney falling on the sword at that point. Richardson has fired 2 GMs abruptly. So what makes sense here?

I could be wrong here but that is a tin foil conspiracy theory I don't buy no matter what insider source said it unless Richardson or Hurney admit it themselves. And even then I would wonder why they would do that.

Why? To protect Rivera, whom he hired, from being let go.

For whatever ineptitude Marty Hurney may have as a general manager, I don't  see too many people question that he's a genuinely good guy.

Add in that Marty wasn't exactly hurting for money at this point.