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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

And hey, if you really wanna get your tinfoil hat out, check this tweet from Voth.

 

Wouldn't shock me (nor necessarily bother me) if we took a QB in the 5th round or later. I'm not on board with taking one earlier than that though. IMO, JT Barrett is a name to watch for us in the later rounds.

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Sounds like we plan on making a legitimate attempt to keep Star. We're probably hoping that his particular skill set isn't going to command big money on the open market. We may be right, but I think a 3-4 team in particular will value him more than we will. I'm not even sure we're even going to bother negotiating with Norwell. Maybe tell him and Rosenhaus to bring us their best offer once free agency starts and see if we can match it, but I think we've simply accepted that given the weak OG FA class, he's gonna be gone and he's likely going to be the highest paid OG in the NFL. Good for him.

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It's my understanding that Butler does not play the NT like Star but is much better suited for the UT, which is where KK plays. They can both play on obvious passing downs but I don't think Butler will be able to fill Star's job on running downs. 

The good news is hopefully we can find a good stop gap at NT for this year and have a rotation of guys. 

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11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Wouldn't shock me (nor necessarily bother me) if we took a QB in the 5th round or later. I'm not on board with taking one earlier than that though. IMO, JT Barrett is a name to watch for us in the later rounds.

I like Mike White.  The Richmond guy whose name escapes me was good too but I don't know where he's projected to go.

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Just take the comp picks and the financial flexibility afforded by not signing these two, as great as they may be. I think we are capable roster-wise of picking up the slack. Maybe a drop-off, but what is the cost of squeezing up too close to the cap ceiling. That lack of flexibility can hamstring you sometimes.

You can't pay everyone top dollar.

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I like Mike White.  The Richmond guy whose name escapes me was good too but I don't know where he's projected to go.

White has a big arm and a prototypical NFL QB build big arms and prototypical builds almost always get over-drafted. I think he'll be gone before we're willing to consider a QB.

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6 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

Just take the comp picks and the financial flexibility afforded by not signing these two, as great as they may be. I think we are capable roster-wise of picking up the slack. Maybe a drop-off, but what is the cost of squeezing up too close to the cap ceiling. That lack of flexibility can hamstring you sometimes.

You can't pay everyone top dollar.

Comp picks aren't guaranteed, though as I understand the formula it sounds quite possible.

It would mean us being fairly inactive in the free agent market.

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21 minutes ago, SOJA said:

It's my understanding that Butler does not play the NT like Star but is much better suited for the UT, which is where KK plays. They can both play on obvious passing downs but I don't think Butler will be able to fill Star's job on running downs. 

The good news is hopefully we can find a good stop gap at NT for this year and have a rotation of guys. 

He doesn't play NT because it would be a waste of his talent. There is a reason the more talented DT's play UT. By alignment, it puts them in a more favorable situation.

Nose tackles are easily replaceable, which is why they command little on the open market. I wouldn't worry too much about Star. There is a reason that Short has already been paid and Star is likely on his way out. 

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26 minutes ago, SOJA said:

It's my understanding that Butler does not play the NT like Star but is much better suited for the UT, which is where KK plays. They can both play on obvious passing downs but I don't think Butler will be able to fill Star's job on running downs. 

The good news is hopefully we can find a good stop gap at NT for this year and have a rotation of guys. 

Rivera sounds like he wants Butler to play Star's spot.

Washington sounds like he doesn't.

I imagine they'll have to hash that out between them.

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