Texans Owner Defends Jerry Richardson

[AggieLean]

5 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

So you're acknowledging the possibility that they are untrue and that there's no wrongdoing to admit?

I’ve been acknowledged that. They’re still allegations at this point. 

Are you willing to admit, again, that if they are true, that you don’t feel it’s a big deal?

[t96]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's sufficient evidence to conclude that Richardson did plenty of things wrong.

Not really. All there is is a sports illustrated article (not the most credible source) with accusations. No actual evidence that the wrongdoing that was accused actually happened.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Not really. All there is is a sports illustrated article (not the most credible source) with accusations. No actual evidence that the wrongdoing that was accused actually happened.

I'm pretty sure the existence of non-disclosure agreements is verifiable.

Even If all we're talking about here is creepy old man, creepy old man that sits on his porch and leers at young women as they pass by is one thing. Creepy old man who's your boss and has millions of dollars at his disposal is another.

And I highly doubt that a dozen or so people who are likely to be out of work after he's gone just got together and decided to make up a bunch of stories about Jerry Richardson.

[t96]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure the existence of non-disclosure agreements is verifiable.

That's not proof. All it indicates is that JR's legal team felt it was cost and time effective to settle than to fight it. It happens extremely often all across the country that innocent people settle. Settlements don't indicate guilt.

[t96]

11 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’ve been acknowledged that. They’re still allegations at this point. 

Are you willing to admit, again, that if they are true, that you don’t feel it’s a big deal?

It depends on the degree and scope of the alleged harassment or discrimination. What was alleged in the SI article, no those aren't a big deal.

[Panthers4real]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And I highly doubt that a dozen or so people who are likely to be out of work after he's gone just got together and decided to make up a bunch of stories about Jerry Richardson.

Unless they really disliked Bersin.

[AggieLean]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

It depends on the degree and scope of the alleged harassment or discrimination. What was alleged in the SI article, no those aren't a big deal.

Ahh, ok. Not a big deal, huh. You don’t think it’s a big deal to be called a racial slur or for a male work superior to make inappropriate comments towards their female workers?

Im just trying to learn more about you. I already have an opinion, but I want to confirm if I’m possibly right or not.

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

It depends on the degree and scope of the alleged harassment or discrimination. What was alleged in the SI article, no those aren't a big deal.

When those things come from some random creep who has no position in your life, they can be laughed off.

When they come from your boss, they're absolutely a big deal.

[t96]

33 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Ahh, ok. Not a big deal, huh. You don’t think it’s a big deal to be called a racial slur or for a male work superior to make inappropriate comments towards their female workers?

Im just trying to learn more about you. I already have an opinion, but I want to confirm if I’m possibly right or not.

 

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

When those things come from some random creep who has no position in your life, they can be laughed off.

When they come from your boss, they're absolutely a big deal.

Nobody is forcing anybody to continue to work for JR if they don't like his behavior. Everybody has free will to leave. There are plenty of companies out there. Weigh the pros and cons and if the con of your boss's behavior is too much then leave and go elsewhere. If everybody feels that way about a boss, like JR, then the matter will take care of itself and he'll have to change his behavior or his business will fail because he won't be able to hire anybody. In a free market discrimination will take care of itself and those that discriminate are ultimately only hurting themselves.

And, that the big SI piece they could muster up only 1 alleged case of him using a racial slur in all his years of working with tons of different people tells me it's absolutely nothing. The sexual discrimination allegations on the other hand do certainly point towards him being a creep and an uncomfortable guy to be around for some but being a creep and saying uncomfortable things isn't a crime and it's extremely easy for any "victims" to make it stop---stay away from the guy. I wouldn't want to be around a guy like that either, but that doesn't mean that his "punishment" for being a creep should be that he's essentially forced to sell his team. I don't participate in that behavior and I don't agree with any of that type of behavior, however the response is completely over the top and ridiculous. All this assuming that the allegations are true, which is hardly a given.

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Nobody is forcing anybody to continue to work for JR if they don't like his behavior. Everybody has free will to leave. There are plenty of companies out there. Weigh the pros and cons and if the con of your boss's behavior is too much then leave and go elsewhere.

 

This is sarcasm right? You actually think this way? My goodness....

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure the existence of non-disclosure agreements is verifiable.

Even If all we're talking about here is creepy old man, creepy old man that sits on his porch and leers at young women as they pass by is one thing. Creepy old man who's your boss and has millions of dollars at his disposal is another.

And I highly doubt that a dozen or so people who are likely to be out of work after he's gone just got together and decided to make up a bunch of stories about Jerry Richardson.

Don’t bring up “non disclosure agreements” it makes MAGAers nervous 

[Floppin]

17 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

 

Nobody is forcing anybody to continue to work for JR if they don't like his behavior. Everybody has free will to leave. There are plenty of companies out there. Weigh the pros and cons and if the con of your boss's behavior is too much then leave and go elsewhere. If everybody feels that way about a boss, like JR, then the matter will take care of itself and he'll have to change his behavior or his business will fail because he won't be able to hire anybody. In a free market discrimination will take care of itself and those that discriminate are ultimately only hurting themselves.

 

This has never been proven to be the case in the entirety of history. The free market has never naturally eliminated the ability for workplace discrimination to exist....ever. What a completely idiotic thing to say.

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Nobody is forcing anybody to continue to work for JR if they don't like his behavior. Everybody has free will to leave. There are plenty of companies out there. Weigh the pros and cons and if the con of your boss's behavior is too much then leave and go elsewhere. If everybody feels that way about a boss, like JR, then the matter will take care of itself and he'll have to change his behavior or his business will fail because he won't be able to hire anybody. In a free market discrimination will take care of itself and those that discriminate are ultimately only hurting themselves.

And, that the big SI piece they could muster up only 1 alleged case of him using a racial slur in all his years of working with tons of different people tells me it's absolutely nothing. The sexual discrimination allegations on the other hand do certainly point towards him being a creep and an uncomfortable guy to be around for some but being a creep and saying uncomfortable things isn't a crime and it's extremely easy for any "victims" to make it stop---stay away from the guy. I wouldn't want to be around a guy like that either, but that doesn't mean that his "punishment" for being a creep should be that he's essentially forced to sell his team. I don't participate in that behavior and I don't agree with any of that type of behavior, however the response is completely over the top and ridiculous. All this assuming that the allegations are true, which is hardly a given.

A boss can be a racist, misogynist, creep, whatever and if people don't like it they should just quit their employment (in today's economy)?

Wherever it is you work, I don't want to work there.

You own a hot dog stand or a small business that employs maybe five people, you can probably do what you want and nobody much will make a big stink about it. A guy who's in charge a billion-dollar business like an NFL team is going to be a different story

[t96]

28 minutes ago, Floppin said:

This has never been proven to be the case in the entirety of history. The free market has never naturally eliminated the ability for workplace discrimination to exist....ever. What a completely idiotic thing to say.

That’s because it’s human nature for it to exist and it will always exist no matter what law is passed or how many are passed. And can you name a truly free market in recent history? The US has never had one, not even close. We’ve actually had plenty of laws that acted to help business owners discriminate. I’m just as against those as any other law that acts to limit business. My point wasn’t that it would eliminate it completely but that it will only serve to hurt the discriminator.