Day 2 is where we find out if Hurney has truly learned from his past

[d-dave]

Wow @NanceUSMC, it's been a little bit!  Glad to have you back.

I'm with you.  I am very curious to see if Hurney has truly learned from his mistakes in the past.  Man, I hope so.  I hope we can get a team together than can really lay the hurt on not only the NFC South, but the rest of the NFL.  

I honestly think that decision makers need to really listen to the coaches who go and visit players.  That level of personal connection can make a rather significant difference.  Would we have taken Moore if we hadn't been so personally connected with Norv?  Maybe not?

[panther4life]

Just a reminder here's a quote from earlier this offseason on how he said he plans to get better 

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"We've talked a lot about when you get to the second round," Hurney said before leaving for Indy. "We might have leaned toward need more (in the past), but if you keep that first-round philosophy (of best available player) in the second and third rounds, then you'd like your top three-round picks to come in and if they don't start in their first year at least fill a role and contribute.

"Keeping that philosophy after the first round – that's something I've been going through in my mind."

Hurney said that "watching some of the best general managers in the business" during his time away from the game helped him learn patience when it comes to resisting the urge to draft for need.

"I don't want to jinx ourselves but organizationally we've had pretty good success in the first round," Hurney said. "But then in the second round, you want a continuation of that philosophy where you in the first round want to take a ‘safe guy' – a guy who really doesn't have a lot of reasons why he wouldn't be successful at this level.

 

[CarolinaSamurai]

22 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Read much? I complimented him on the visit list, I liked almost all the visits we know about. I liked the Moore pick but do you recall who worked him out? It was Norv.

  Hurney’s never been a scout right? What’s his true football experience? Do you think Hurney knows more about WRs than Norv? I think Norv and Ron to a lesser degree focused in on a need and identified Moore as their favorite (behind James obviously) and it was Hurney’s job to make it happen. Yes, I would blame Hurney for a bad trade to make a pick. He’s responsible for figuring out what it will take and where a guy will go and not giving up the farm a la Everette Brown. Maybe I’d blame him for liking a player too much as well and not trusting the scouts. Based on his visits and Moore, I think he’s learned a bit about jumping when you don’t need to and listening to experts. 

Your still putting the pick on others. A good GM uses his coaches and scouts to make the pick. That's what all GMs do and to give credit to anyone but Hurney is like saying every GM picks isn't on them. When in truth it's all if the above working in concert for the pick. But at the end of the day Marty is in charge of the pick. It's his choice at the end if the day good or bad.

[Cyberjag]

41 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Hurney’s never been a scout right? What’s his true football experience? Do you think Hurney knows more about WRs than Norv? 

Marty Hurney has been running NFL Scouts for close to 20 years now.  I would say he's got a metric ton of football experience based on that alone.  At this point he knows more about what Scouts look for and how to evaluate talent than anyone on this board.  He doesn't know more about WRs than a WR coach, but he knows who to listen to and what to base his decisions on.  Norv is now another tool he has to help him make the right selections.  Moore was his pick, and it's very likely Turner had a lot of influence there.

Nance, you did leave off hits like Kris Jenkins (he ran that draft), Deshaun Foster, Keary Colbert (rookie year showed he had it, coaches never developed it), Richard Marshall, Ryan Kalil, and Sherrod Martin.  Basically, about half his picks in the second earned starts not only here but elsewhere. He isn't great, but it's not like he constantly whiffed.  Also, on the Nelson pick no one knew about his degenerative bone disease until after the draft.

Most GMs hit on half their picks.  Hurney is average like that, except he's been unusually good in the first prior to this season.  So let's hope...

[RetiredCollegeCoach]

They don't call him "Draft God" for nothing. Marty's got this.

[trucpfan]

I'm so glad Roger has monopolized this event, giving us a whole day to reorganize and not let Hurney pull his past stunts. Not that he would but this extra time gives you time to readjust to what just happened last night recalibrate your boards.

[NanceUSMC]

1 hour ago, d-dave said:

Wow @NanceUSMC, it's been a little bit!  Glad to have you back.

I'm with you.  I am very curious to see if Hurney has truly learned from his mistakes in the past.  Man, I hope so.  I hope we can get a team together than can really lay the hurt on not only the NFC South, but the rest of the NFL.  

I honestly think that decision makers need to really listen to the coaches who go and visit players.  That level of personal connection can make a rather significant difference.  Would we have taken Moore if we hadn't been so personally connected with Norv?  Maybe not?

Good to see ya, brother!  =)  I'm around, I just tend to lurk these days more than anything else.......  However, Draft time does have a tendency to make me poke my head out of my shell....  lol

[NanceUSMC]

1 hour ago, Cyberjag said:

Marty Hurney has been running NFL Scouts for close to 20 years now.  I would say he's got a metric ton of football experience based on that alone.  At this point he knows more about what Scouts look for and how to evaluate talent than anyone on this board.  He doesn't know more about WRs than a WR coach, but he knows who to listen to and what to base his decisions on.  Norv is now another tool he has to help him make the right selections.  Moore was his pick, and it's very likely Turner had a lot of influence there.

Nance, you did leave off hits like Kris Jenkins (he ran that draft), Deshaun Foster, Keary Colbert (rookie year showed he had it, coaches never developed it), Richard Marshall, Ryan Kalil, and Sherrod Martin.  Basically, about half his picks in the second earned starts not only here but elsewhere. He isn't great, but it's not like he constantly whiffed.  Also, on the Nelson pick no one knew about his degenerative bone disease until after the draft.

Most GMs hit on half their picks.  Hurney is average like that, except he's been unusually good in the first prior to this season.  So let's hope...

I did mention Sherrod Martin (and meant to mention Colbert, but appears I didn't), but I consider him more of a miss...  You're right, though, I did (intentionally) leave off the 3 or 4 hits he had in the 2nd round (totally my count, and I'm sure others will have different opinions of course)...  And to be fair, a couple of those 2nd round hits were exceptional (Jenkins and Kalil)...

What scares me about him the most (in the past), has been much like Gettleman being unable to help himself when it came to Hog Mollies, Hurney couldn't help himself when it came to a good (or terrible) draft day trade...

Now all that said, don't get me wrong...  I'm NOT a Hurney hater, and have actually liked the moves he's made since being back...  I'm actually kinda diggin' Hurney 2.0...  I think he's better than people give him credit for (even back in the day)...  Personally I do think he's matured as a GM, given the moves he's made so far...  I'm tentatively excited about tonight's 3 picks...

[dcpanther89]

I just hope we retain 3 picks today we have too many needs to move up for a specific player unless we value them to the point of sacrificing another if in turn we see the need to move up for a player then hopefully the position we neglect can be had as a cut this summer from another team