Panthers Trade Pick #88 For Pick #101 and #147

[The Lone Panther]

I would be cool if we traded down again.  Evidently, Hurney is considering it.  For the most part, our starting lineup is set, we just need depth.  So adding all these extra picks could be beneficial. But then again, Hurney doesn't exactly have the best track record for his mid to late round selections.  

[TylerVagyler]

You guys bitch and moan about everything. Crying because we didn’t take a guy you all wanted to trade up in the second for and he ended up going at the end of the 3rd. We got good value to move down. You have no idea if Hurney missed on the picks today. No one does. No one will know until a year from now. So calm down. 

[MtnProwler]

1 minute ago, TylerVagyler said:

You guys bitch and moan about everything. Crying because we didn’t take a guy you all wanted to trade up in the second for and he ended up going at the end of the 3rd. We got good value to move down. You have no idea if Hurney missed on the picks today. No one does. No one will know until a year from now. So calm down. 

So you want to talk about last year's busts that would quickly end with objective stats and effectively shut down the need for subjective discussion boards?

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, The Lone Panther said:

I would be cool if we traded down again.  Evidently, Hurney is considering it.  For the most part, our starting lineup is set, we just need depth.  So adding all these extra picks could be beneficial. But then again, Hurney doesn't exactly have the best track record for his mid to late round selections.  

right--we are adding depth now.   We just drafted 2 starters and Gaulden will become one in a year.  I am happy with what he has done so far, and NOBODY despises Marty HURNEY more than I do.

These players are left--not bad talent. We need OL (Center and G/T), TE, QB, perhaps a SS,  RB---  all depth for now. Crosby should be the first pick...

Tyrell Crosby, G, Oregon

Jamarco Jones, T/G Ohio St.

Ian Thomas, Indiana

Chris Herndon, Miami

Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin

Kyle Lauletta, Richmond

Mike White, WKy

Nyheim Hines NC State

Jaylen Samuels NC State

John Kelly, Tennessee RB

Duke Ejiofor, Wake DE

Josh Sweat, FSU DE

Ade Aruna, Tulane

[Mr. Scot]

Side Note: For a while there, I thought Mason Rudolph might drop to our spot.

Boy, wouldn't that have been an interesting decision.

[RumHam]

The kid from LSU was a great pick until what the staff said their plans were. Kid from Tennessee is an awful pick and won't be on the team in two years

[RumHam]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Side Note: For a while there, I thought Mason Rudolph might drop to our spot.

Boy, wouldn't that have been an interesting decision.

Surprise we didn't trade up. Guess hurney rather be the best on day 3

[TylerVagyler]

6 minutes ago, MtnProwler said:

So you want to talk about last year's busts that would quickly end with objective stats and effectively shut down the need for subjective discussion boards?

Talk about whatever you want. I just think it’s crazy to already label this draft as a failure when 99% of the people in here don’t know hardly anything about these guys. And that’s not me calling everyone stupid. It’s just so hard to know who will be good and who will bust. It’s pointless to be legitimately angry tonight. 

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It won't surprise me if the front office administration doesn't last the week after new ownership is in place and new administration will want to bring in their football guys. Hurney for sure has virtually zero chance of staying on long-term and I probably wouldn't give Rivera much better than 50/50 odds. Has a head coach ever survived three different GMs?

Has a HC ever been fired after making the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years and a SB?

I get Hurney and an owner wanting to bring in his own guy for GM (and coach), but getting rid of Rivera would be dumber than any move they may or may not make over the draft.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, TylerVagyler said:

Talk about whatever you want. I just think it’s crazy to already label this draft as a failure when 99% of the people in here don’t know hardly anything about these guys. And that’s not me calling everyone stupid. It’s just so hard to know who will be good and who will bust. It’s pointless to be legitimately angry tonight. 

Early opinions on draft picks are always worthless. It takes at least three years to know whether someone is going to be any good.

Gotta imagine a lot of the skepticism comes from people who remember Marty's previous run here. And honestly, until he proves otherwise, it's not really something you can blame people too much for.

[Seltzer]

6 minutes ago, RumHam said:

The kid from LSU was a great pick until what the staff said their plans were. Kid from Tennessee is an awful pick and won't be on the team in two years

You literally have no idea if that is true or not.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Has a HC ever been fired after making the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years and a SB?

I get Hurney and an owner wanting to bring in his own guy for GM (and coach), but getting rid of Rivera would be dumber than any move they may or may not make over the draft.

Marty Schottenheimer was fired after three straight winning seasons, the last of which had a 14 and 2 record.

The two seasons prior to that 3 year stretch saw one 500 season and one losing season.

Rivera was also recently called out by one of Jerry Richardson's accusers for supporting Richardson even after the misconduct story came out.

[TylerVagyler]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Early opinions on draft picks are always worthless. It takes at least three years to know whether someone is going to be any good.

Gotta imagine a lot of the skepticism comes from people who remember Marty's previous run here. And honestly, until he proves otherwise, it's not really something you can blame people too much for.

The overwhelming coverage also makes it worse. Everyone hears these guys names hyped by the media and the fans zero in on them. And if they aren’t the pick it’s an automatic failure. 

Ronnie Harrison is a perfect example. Most media people liked him. He went to Alabama and got a decent amount of coverage. So much that a lot of people in here would’ve been happy if we traded up in the 2nd to get him. Instead he fell all the way to the end of the 3rd. Teams clearly had a different evaluation of him than the media guys. 

[MtnProwler]

2 minutes ago, TylerVagyler said:

The overwhelming coverage also makes it worse. Everyone hears these guys names hyped by the media and the fans zero in on them. And if they aren’t the pick it’s an automatic failure. 

Ronnie Harrison is a perfect example. Most media people liked him. He went to Alabama and got a decent amount of coverage. So much that a lot of people in here would’ve been happy if we traded up in the 2nd to get him. Instead he fell all the way to the end of the 3rd. Teams clearly had a different evaluation of him than the media guys. 

I can honestly say I wanted to trade up for Daniels, Hernandez, JJackson, or Chubb, not Harrison. Yes, Hernandez from UTEP. And I'm still not on board with the last two picks collectively. That might surprise you.