Anyone else concerned with this talk about playing more man coverage?

[Untouchable]

Just another tool.  I've seen mentions of more pattern matching concepts used in the zone scheme.

https://thereadoptional.com/nick-saban-kirby-smart-and-pattern-match-coverages-a41be7a2eca1

[PantherBrew]

3 hours ago, Untouchable said:

Just another tool.  I've seen mentions of more pattern matching concepts used in the zone scheme.

https://thereadoptional.com/nick-saban-kirby-smart-and-pattern-match-coverages-a41be7a2eca1

This pattern reading stuff can be really confusing on the field.  Cause teams figure out your read points and run routes just to fug it up.  "Oh, you wanna make your read at 5 yards? Okay then we will have routes breaking at 7)I have never done it in cover 3, but we did use it when we were base cover 2 teams.  It can be super effective against spread 2x2 teams, but it will get your ass kicked if a team likes to run the ball.  I got away from it because players were thinking too much and not reacting.  

 

I would be interested in knowing how much pattern reading is involved in the NFL.  

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

On 5/3/2018 at 3:07 AM, Growl said:

Heres a simple truth for you:

The Carolina Panthers will not win the super bowl this season if they do not play more man.

The entire NFL watched the saints run zone beater after zone beater in the NFCWCG.

Ignoring that is leaving mike remmers at RT after Super Bowl 50.

The logic is sound. Grab a high draft pick and a couple FAs and do what you can. There is no scenario where the panthers are a successful team without incorporating more man looks.

NFL teams didn't need to see the Saints do anything. 

Common sense to scout your opponent and know what they like to run. 

Every team is going to have man and zone beaters ready to go. 

Just comes down to execution and playmaking. 

[TheMaulClaw]

On 5/2/2018 at 3:54 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Bradberry looked plain bad last year. Every bit as bad as Worley. Cockrelll has played well in the past but he’s played well in zone schemes. Jackson has the speed and agility measurable but he’s tiny by NFL standards. The rest of the CBs are JAGs and the safeties are too old and slow to provide much help over the top. On paper this looks like a disaster if we truly go man heavy.

We have to start developing the ability to play man to man.  Brees picks that zone apart.  We've got to have the ability to do both if need be.  I'd say we're still a zone team by far though so I wouldn't worry to much.

[The Huddler]

you need a mix of both

 

 

and to be fair, every team usually has JAGs was their #4, #5 CBs

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

you need a mix of both

 

 

and to be fair, every team usually has JAGs was their #4, #5 CBs

How about for their entire secondary?

[The Huddler]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

How about for their entire secondary?

I think the potential for our secondary to be one of there best in the league is there TBH

 

depends on how much pressure we get on the QB

 

 

I could go deeper to try and explain im just too busy atm.. that or im just lazy lol

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, The Huddler said:

I think the potential for our secondary to be one of there best in the league is there TBH

 

depends on how much pressure we get on the QB

 

 

I could go deeper to try and explain im just too busy atm.. that or im just lazy lol

I’d settle for just average to be honest. It’d be a significant improvement. You could argue we had one of the worst performing secondaries in the league last year.

[The Huddler]

NFL teams do not have enough cap space to have proven NFL starters with stats to prove their production..  edit:    at every position. there will be holes.. there will be unknowns.. part of the game planning is scheming where your weaknesses are and who you try to fill those weaknesses with.  you get guys with potential and you take risks having them boom or bust.. if you have more booms than busts, you are a damn good team.

 

there will be holes, and there will be a degree of risk and chance taking at certain positions..

 

you have to identify the positions you are willing to risk and take a chance on, and guys that have the potential to have bang for their buck... before you have to go and pay them 

 

 

 

the more players you have that produce that are on a lower payscale, the better your team is going to be. Pay top dollar for the positions you absolutly need to be stout in your scheme. 

 

@LinvilleGorge

 

edit:  I really need to proof read my posts. I think so fast my fingers cant keep up and i type jumbled strings of words.. smdh

[The Huddler]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I’d settle for just average to be honest. It’d be a significant improvement. You could argue we had one of the worst performing secondaries in the league last year.

agreed..

 

one of those problems is gone

 

and as far as bradberry.. we blitzed a hell of a lot and didnt get to the QB leaving bradberry out to dry.. i like him in a competant scheme with help. I love Cockrell and Jackson. Hell, we could have another in Corn

 

and I think we get S help once these turds prices come down

[The Huddler]

If you have every position filled with proven starters...

 

 

  ...you wont for long!!

 

 

you gotta game plan what your weak spots are

 

for us, we are risking a young, nameless secondary because we are willing to bet our pass rush is going to be there. If it is, we will be fine. 

[Snake]

Wilks system was just down right crap. Yes we ran more man and it looked bad but it was because we were predictable. Hopefully Washington can man a solid unit and Turner can score 30 points. I get why we drafted the way we did. Both us and the Saints have Swiss army knives at RB and fast smaller WRs that complement their bigger guys. You need a bunch of different DBs to shut that down.