A theory on the team sale (that you may not like)

[PanthersBigD]

I think you all are so starved for information, that you don't stop to consider that most of it is coming from a notorious bullshit artist like Sabates. He's always been a small time player with big time aspirations. He's not the gatekeeper to anything. The people that really know what's going on aren't talking to WFNZ. That's why they're giving a guy who hasn't been relevant in Charlotte sports since the 90s all of this airtime. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Tepper cheaping out for the senior citizen discount tells me all I need to know. Wake me up when whichever goon comes out on top.

It's not guaranteed that he'd cheap out when it comes to contracts, but I think everybody would go in with that expectation. Given his character, it's not exactly a stretch.

Have said it before: People who didn't like Dave Gettleman are likely to absolutely loathe David Tepper.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PanthersBigD said:

I think you all are so starved for information, that you don't stop to consider that most of it is coming from a notorious bullshit artist like Sabates. He's always been a small time player with big time aspirations. He's not the gatekeeper to anything. The people that really know what's going on aren't talking to WFNZ. That's why they're giving a guy who hasn't been relevant in Charlotte sports since the 90s all of this airtime. 

That's all understood.

The problem is that Kestenbaum confirmed having met with him, and his story of dinner with Tepper is highly plausible. Add in that I don't think he was lying about getting frozen out by Ben Navarro.

Felix may be full of it, but to assume everything he says is untrue would be a mistake, especially given that there's outside confirmation on part of it.

[PanthersBigD]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's all understood.

The problem is that Kestenbaum confirmed having met with him, and his story of dinner with Tepper is highly plausible. Add in that I don't think he was lying about getting frozen out by Ben Navarro.

Felix may be full of it, but to assume everything he says is untrue would be a mistake, especially given that there's outside confirmation on part of it.

Felix Sabates is a rich 'hanger on' so him meeting with Kestenbaum and Tepper is unsurprising. I wonder who reached out to who though...

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Felix Sabates is a rich 'hanger on' so him meeting with Kestenbaum and Tepper is unsurprising. I wonder who reached out to who though...

Felix did the "reaching" and said so himself a while back.

Sabates had also previously stated that he knew David Tepper and Ben Navarro would keep the team in Charlotte. After their meeting, Alan Kestenbaum made the same pledge.

[Tbe]

Sounds like Alan thinks he is still in the running https://www.google.com/amp/amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article210402544.html

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Sounds like Alan thinks he is still in the running https://www.google.com/amp/amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article210402544.html

He is.

[CatMan72]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or forcing them to actually vote him out, a scenario which likely also ends in Ben Navarro losing.

Richardson's ego hasn't exactly helped him make the best decisions of late. This is probably no exception.

I'd prefer he just sell to Navarro and be done with it.

No question that JJR these days is a totally different man from the one who founded this team. I honestly don't think he's playing with all his marbles anymore. It's very sad to watch him go out like this. Being a former player, you have to wonder if CTE has played a part in his decline. 

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

No question that JJR these days is a totally different man from the one who founded this team. I honestly don't think he's playing with all his marbles anymore. It's very sad to watch him go out like this. Being a former player, it's safe to assume CTE may have also played a part in his decline. 

Some of our resident guys with friends on the inside have said that Richardson has been losing it for a while now. It's also been reported that he still doesn't believe he did anything wrong and he's resentful of the league for the way they've handled this.

I think in his mind, making them vote on him would be forcing them to "look him in the eye" as it were.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, CatMan72 said:

No question that JJR these days is a totally different man from the one who founded this team. I honestly don't think he's playing with all his marbles anymore. It's very sad to watch him go out like this. Being a former player, it's safe to assume CTE may have also played a part in his decline. 

Quite probably JR is suffering from long term post operative cognitive dysfunction.  It is very common in elderly persons who have heart surgery.

http://thebrainclinic.com/articles-3/postoperative-cognitive-dysfunction/

[Arroz con Panther]

I can't believe Felix brought Millennials into this... 

I'm a millennial (by age anyway, 29) and I want to continue playing in BofA.

I listened to this section live and I can't remember who said it, but someone brought up the point that we have Spectrum Arena for concerts and NCAA tournaments hence we don't need a new stadium. They're not wrong, but I know the end goal is the super bowl.

[pnthrs]

I have been thinking about this more and more and it just doesn't add up that Tepper would consider a partner.  Adding another investor just to get to Navarro's number doesn't help Tepper, in fact it actually hurts him.  (Now I'm not saying Tepper won't have partners, but I am saying he won't take one on to take him over the top.)

 

If Tepper bids 2.3b and JR says "NO cheapskate its 2.65" there is no world where Tepper says ok well Kestenbaum can go in halvsies and we will pay 2.65b.  Remember this is a business deal not an auction for a toy for Tepper.  Teppers final bid is exactly what he thinks is the max value of the Carolina Panthers franchise is.  If he accepts a partner and together they pay an extra 350m then each partner will have overpaid by 175m in Teppers eyes.  This dude balked at a 100$ dinner costing 200$, you think he is going to over pay 100-300m?  Nope. 

 

Now Rubin and Kestenbaum may be a different story.  We are dealing with guys who may be more interested in owning a team than a conservative valuation.  If each can't afford 2.5-2.8b but together they can and are willing to perhaps overvalue the team then thats a possibility.  

 

This is all a game to Felix and I am sure there is some truth to his statements but until something materializes its worthless albeit interesting.  

 

 

 

[Devil Doc]

This really really irks me... Sabates has no business trying to meddle in the business of the team sale. He don't give a fug if the team stays in Charlotte or not. He don't care if it is domed room or not. All he cares about is the bottom line.... Money. I swear if he is the sole reason why the stadium moves, im gunna be pissed. Moving the stadium does not help the Carolina's one bit. In Fact, it hurts both states if they move the stadium. Leave the stadium were it is..... raze a few vacant lots.... build a parking deck.... call it a day.

[Devil Doc]

5 hours ago, Bigchipper said:

Hmm...may want to look up property records around Carowinds to see if Sabates has been buying up chunks to sweeten his pot.

Bingo!!