Reviewing 2017's offensive turnovers.

[panther4life]

In hindsight I regret torturing myself by reliving these moments but I did and sense the last similar thread was well received I figured I share what I saw.

Player most responsible for turnover in bold. Technically we had a handful of turnovers on downs as well, those plays are not included.

Week 1 vs Niners- 1 pick, 1 fumble lost

• Cam tosses 45 yard bomb to Benjamin in double coverage in the endzone. Safety makes easy pick.
• McCaffrey stuffed in backfield, tries to dance around, has ball punched out. Incosequintial as game as was 23-3 late in the 4th

Week 3 vs Saints- First loss of the year-  3 picks

• Saints up 7-6. 1st and 10 from own 24 Cam fakes quick handoff to McCaffrey and tries to jam it in to Funchess on quick slant. P.J Williams playing off coverage baits him right into it and swoops in for the easy pick. Saints ensuing drive ends in Coleman TD reception VS Worley.
• 4th quarter, score 27-13. Cam throws too high for McCaffrey who has it bounce off his hands, tipped in air 3 times before being picked off by Marcus Williams. Saints ensuing drive results in a 56 FG
• Next offensive drive, 3rd and 16. Cam tries to force it downfield to Funchess, saints are sitting in zone, Vaccaro swoops right in for the easy pick. Meanwhile Samuel was cutting across the field on a crossing route with all kinds of daylight

Week 4 vs Pats 1 pick, 1 fumble

• 1st Q, tied at 3-3. 3rd and from own 43. Mccaffrey motions to left slot, and we are 5 wide. Cam looks to left for McCaffrey on the out route, isn't there. Funchess sits at LOS out far wide right, his man(Butler) quickly bails deep to help double Byrd out of the slot. Cam takes his shot downfield on the far right sideline to Byrd, only to find him blanketed in double coverage for the pick by Butler who is chased down for no gain and tackled at the pats own 28 by Byrd
• 3rd Q, Panthers lead 17-16. 1st and 10 at New England 13. Stewart runs behind the right side of the line, Trey flowers reaches around Williams who's blocking him with his right hand punches ball out of Stewarts hand 9 yards from the endzone.

Week 6 Vs Eagles- 2nd loss - 3 picks

• 3rd and 5 with 6:46 on clock in 2nd Q. Turner gets steamrolled back into Cam  by Fletcher Cox as he was releasing the ball, causing an errant pass that goes up in the air and picked off by Rasul Douglas. This gave the eagles the ball back on our 26. The ensuing drive allowed the Eagles to tie the game at 10-10 on a 1 yard TD pass to Ertz vs Worley.
• 1st drive of Q 3. 10-10 game, Stewart motions out wide, play design is a quick bubble screen to Stewart, he bobbles the easy pass into the air and Patrick Robinson has the easy pick to get the ball back on our 17. Stew would have had plenty of daylight as Samuel redirected one corner, Benjamin was heading for another, plus Norwell pulled out to the left to hit someone. 2 Plays later Wentz finds Ertz in the endzone vs Adams for the go ahead score. 18-10 Eagles. (They went for 2 after Star jumped offsides).
• 23-28 Eagles, 3:16 to go in the 4th. 3rd and 10 from the Eagles 41. Blitz off the right side from Eagles, Cam throws don field but the pass was so far off I don't know if he overthrew Funchess, or Shepard ran wrong route. Cam will take the fault for this one.

Week 7 vs Bears (what  a shittt show) - 3rd loss - 2 picks

• Panthers march right down field to to the Bears 24. Fake handoff to McCaffrey, then outside toss to Samuel. He bobbles it, loses it, scooped up by Eddie Jackson and he sprints to the endzone untouched for the TD. Technically this counted as fumble against Cam since Samuel never had possession.
• Panthers take over at their own 42, after Short blocks a field goal. 3rd and 10 and Cam attempts a quick slant to Benjamin. Lazy route and effort by Benjamin who appeared to have 2 hands on it, but Amukamara tapped it up in the air and Jackson runs it back for 6 for his 2nd score of the day.
• Not a turnover per say, but at the end of the first half, Newton spiked the ball with 1 second left at the Bears 15 to kick the field goal. False start on Shepard causes 5 second and run off and halftime begins
• 4th quarter, down 17-3.3rd and 10. Akeem Hicks pressure vs Amini (RG) forces Cam out of pocket, he rolls to the right and tries to force one in to McCaffrey. Ball underthrown and picked off.

Week 8 vs Bucs  - 1 pick

• Cam audibles or at least pretends to at LOS. Has Dickson open towards the sideline on a corner route, just underthrows it and Conte who was in off coverage seized the opportunity to jump in front for the easy pick on an under thrown ball from Cam.

Week 9 vs Falcons 2 fumbles lost

• Stewart has ball ripped out by Keanu Neal as he fights for extra yardage at the Falcons 40.
• Stewart has it happen again by Neal again at the Atl 19 this time.

Week 13 vs Vikings - 1 pick

• Panthers up 24-21 with 4:47 to go in the 4th. 3rd and 5 from our own 30. Cam hits McCaffrey on a quick slant out of the left slot. McCaffrey had his man beat, Cam threw it a tad high and a little in front of him. Ball bounces off his hands and into Sendajo's who picks it off. Ensuing drive the Vikes are held to a field goal, thanks to a Kawann sack on 3rd down. Cam redeems himself with a 62 yard scamper that set up the go ahead and final touchdown for Panthers to win 31-24.

Week 16 vs Bucs - 1 pick

• 3RD Q, panthers up 12-9. Cam throws a laser from own 46 to Bucs 25, hits Bersin had it in his hands for a spit second, then Conte manages to tip up in the air, Kwon Alexander snatches it and runs it back to midfield. Bucs score a TD on the ensuing drive with 16 yard pass to Bobo Wilson, with you guessed it, Worley in coverage.

Week 17 vs Falcons 5th loss - 3 picks

• 3RD Q, Falcons up 10-7 with 5:47 to go in the Q 3rd and 7 from our own 28 yard line. Jarrett quickly closes pocket on Cam by shoving Norwell back. Cam makes a horrible decision and overthrows Bersin over the middle for an easy pick to FS Allen sitting in coverage who runs it back to to our 35 yard line. Ensuing drive leads to a Falcons FG. Now down 13-7
• 4th Q, 4:20 to go, Falcons up 19-10. 1ST and 10 from own 25. Cam throws too high and behind Olsen, who manages to tip it up with one in hand. Picked by Neal. Funchess was wide open on short crossing route and also worth noting, last drive stalled when Cam missed Olsen too high when wide open on the last drive.
• 4th Q, game out of reach, 16 seconds left. Cam finds Funchess in endzone 1 on 1 vs Alford. Clearly Alford wanted it more.

One last note on this game, Olsen was targeted 9 times(12 by Joe bucks count) and only had 1 catch. Cam finished the game 14-34, 180 yards, 1 TD AND 3 picks.

Final notes and thoughts.

• By my count 10 of Cams 16 picks, were squarely on him. 
• Stewart fumbled 3 times and lost all of them, he also led to a pick by bobbling a screen pass. Those 4 turnovers make him responsible for 20% of the 20 we had on the year!! No other player outside of Cam can be blamed for more than 1.
• The only game we lost without having a turnover was week 13 to the Saints, 31-21.( They ran all over us).
• Week's 9 thought 16 (includes week 10 bye week) I really could only pin one pick on Cam and it wasn't very egregious. We went 6-1 during this stretch and the game we did lose (saints) Cam didn't throw any picks.
• There was a 8 game stretch where we only threw 3 picks, weeks 8-16.
• 9 of Cam's 16 interceptions happened in 3 games!
• On the flip side Cam's best 4 games Cam threw 14 TD's,rushed for 1, and averaged 291 yards passing. Bad news is, this means he only threw for 8 TD's in 12 other games. 
• All in all I feel confident Cam should have a bounce back year, as he finally has enough weapons to where he won't have to carry the team by himself this year.

 

 

 

[KB_fan]

41 minutes ago, panther4life said:

In hindsight I regret torturing myself by reliving these moments but I did and sense the last similar thread was well received I figured I share what I saw.

• All in all I feel confident Cam should have a bounce back year, as he finally has enough weapons to where he won't have to carry the team by himself this year.

 

Another AMAZING THREAD!!!  Thank you so much for being willing to review & relive all the bad plays from last season.  This is such a helpful breakdown.

Re: Cam, I don't think it can be understated as to how the lack of practice reps with his receivers impacted his play early on.  Those first 4-5 games his timing with receivers, and even handoffs with Stew & CMC wre pretty rough.  Take away 2-3 of those turnovers from early in the season and it was a pretty solid year for Cam on the turnover front.

 

[ncfan]

Good stuff.

 

Just wonder how Cams Ints will go, now that

1. NO More Shula Layered routes of players going to the same spot on the field.

2. No more last second play call to the field.  This allows Cam to come up, look at the D, Make adjustments, and throw some hard clunts sonrushers cant time snap.  Instead of past Cam get the play, lines up under center with :03-03-.04 left on the clock and has to immediately snap.

3. WRs- Finally, Cam gets someone who can create seperation and catch.  And not just 1, but 5-6.

4. And no scripted offense, Norv really looks to have a diverse and deep playbook, while willing to make adjustments instead of trying to force the square peg in the round hole like Shula.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, panther4life said:

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• Week's 9 thought 16 (includes week 10 bye week) I really could only pin one pick on Cam and it wasn't very egregious. We went 6-1 during this stretch and the game we did lose (saints) Cam didn't throw any picks.
• There was a 8 game stretch where we only threw 3 picks, weeks 8-16.

 

 

 

Wonder what was the difference between weeks 1-8 and 9-16, was there a trade or something?

[Manther]

Panthers march right down field to to the Bears 24. Fake handoff to McCaffrey, then outside toss to Samuel. He bobbles it, loses it, scooped up by Eddie Jackson and he sprints to the endzone untouched for the TD. Technically this counted as fumble against Cam since Samuel never had possession.

Its this type of crap that makes good coaches hate stats.  This was NOT Cam's fault.  That throw was where it needed to be.  Samuel just "lost it".  He SHOULD have had possession.

[nickzz]

Safety makes easy pick

[CarolinaNCSU]

Good stuff OP.  The formula is simple...give Cam time, good decisions, few turnovers.  We win.  2015 was a "fluke", but Cam was insanely good and the defense forced turnovers like crazy.  Football doesn't have to be hard. 

 

[Saca312]

Good stuff. Also pretty much would like attribute most of his earlier turnovers on easing himself back in after having rotator cuff surgery. 

Either way, as long as the offensive line holds (pretty much pray we don't start Amini), I think he'll be fantastic with the weapons he has and the offensive philosophy it seems Norv is trying to implement.