McCaffrey doubters

[saints4lifeagain]

40 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

The 8th overall pick of the 2017 draft, McCaffrey became the first rookie running back with at least 70 receptions and five receiving touchdowns.

Not a bad start for the comparison.

I can think of another...

[saints4lifeagain]

7 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I was one of the ones who really thought we reached a bit last year.

Kamara is good, and one of yhe budding stars in this league.  But a Lot of his success came from Sean Payton who is one of the best offensive guys in this league.  Had CMC been there he wouldve gone off as well.

 

To the people who say he cant be a between the tackle runner, dont know anything about being a RB. 

He was a tad bit small last year but everyone has seen he has even bulked up to help muscle through those arm tackles.  

There are a ton of big massive. RBs who cant run between the Tackles 

Vision, patience, and know what your OL is going to do on that play is bigger than any physical traits when being a "between the tackle runner"

CMC isnt a 4.3 burner, he isnt a 230 pound bulldozer. 

What he does have is the most important thing.  Vision and patience.  On top of that, knows what the OL will do on the play.  remember people talk about his work ethic like Luke, like Luke studying defenses, CMC studies know exactly what is OL is going to do.

His college film, his vision is some of the best to come out in a loooong loooong time.  He sees the holes hits its and sets up his blockers to set up a longer run better than about anyone.

Leveon Bell is bigger.  But what sets him apart more than any RB in this league and makes him as good as he is.  Is his vision and patience.  

 

 

Point is, CMC is about to go Off this year if he gets the touches Ron says

 

https://pac-12.com/videos/stanford-footballs-christian-mccaffrey-tries-explain-his-exceptional-downfield-vision

Payton didn't make Kamara break all of those tackles or give him his vision. Stop saying CMC would have done the same thing. It's simply not true. I've seen CMC run through more tackles this preseason than I did all of last year. Kamara averaged the most yards after contact in all of football. CMC may develop into a fine back, but he wasn't on Kamaras skill level last year. 

[Dex]

I believe Kamara is the better running back (incredible balance) and CMC is the better receiver. This year will be interesting but none the less they're both excellent weapons.

[Palmetto]

Catch 22 1k rushing and 1k Receiving this season

He's way better than CAP and  we all gave that guy a bunch of chances

[ncfan]

22 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Payton didn't make Kamara break all of those tackles or give him his vision. Stop saying CMC would have done the same thing. It's simply not true. I've seen CMC run through more tackles this preseason than I did all of last year. Kamara averaged the most yards after contact in all of football. CMC may develop into a fine back, but he wasn't on Kamaras skill level last year. 

Correct, he didnt break the tackles for him.

 

But he did design and call the plays getting him in space which was 90% of the reason he was successful last year.

Point blank, if CMC was there getting the ball into space and getting the touches Kamara was getting.  It would have at the very least been the same thing.

 

And had Kamara been running under Shula here, we'd still be questioning about drafting a RB going into this past draft

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12 minutes ago, Dex said:

I believe Kamara is the better running back (incredible balance) and CMC is the better receiver. This year will be interesting but none the less they're both excellent weapons.

I think CMC had much more natural hands as a pass catcher. Probably a bit more refined as a route runner while split out wide as well.

[mc52beast]

On 8/27/2018 at 11:23 AM, shaqattaq said:

MOOOOOOOOOOSE!

sorry, I grew up a Dallas fan (there are currently 28 teams that I like better than them) Sorry, I was young and didn't know any better. I welcome any emoji turds that you see fit to react with, but Moose was a beast!

Armah could very well be as good as Moose, can see him going to a pro bowl soon

[Pup McBarky]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

But he did design and call the plays getting him in space which was 90% of the reason he was successful last year.

LOL. He definitely benefited from Payton's designs, but 90%? Come on, don't be that guy. Kamara is a beast and would be on just about any NFL team.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, mc52beast said:

Armah could very well be as good as Moose, can see him going to a pro bowl soon

Im just hoping he can become another Brad Hoover

[Dex]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Point blank, if CMC was there getting the ball into space and getting the touches Kamara was getting.  It would have at the very least been the same thing.

I disagree. I think 22 needed the year and this off season to put on size and refine his running technique. There's nothing wrong with admitting another rookie had a better year. Both Kamara and CMC will both be studs in this league.

[ncfan]

2 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

LOL. He definitely benefited from Payton's designs, but 90%? Come on, don't be that guy. Kamara is a beast and would be on just about any NFL team.

He is, but again.  Payton is a offensive genius.  He knew Kamaras skills set and knew how to use him.  Got the ball into space for him and boom.  You get the probowl production from him.

 

Meanwhile you have a guy like Shula who has Zero clue what to do qith a guy like CMC and thats what you get

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

He is, but again.  Payton is a offensive genius.  He knew Kamaras skills set and knew how to use him.  Got the ball into space for him and boom.  You get the probowl production from him

 You mean like running basic off tackle runs and watching Kamara go the distance. Or breaking more Kurt Coleman tackles than CMC broke total for the year. Payton didn’t do that for him. 

[saints4lifeagain]

4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Correct, he didnt break the tackles for him.

 

But he did design and call the plays getting him in space which was 90% of the reason he was successful last year.

Point blank, if CMC was there getting the ball into space and getting the touches Kamara was getting.  It would have at the very least been the same thing.

 

And had Kamara been running under Shula here, we'd still be questioning about drafting a RB going into this past draft

That's a lazy sentiment that gets thrown around here. Watch tape. Watch Kamara turn a reception that should have been a 5 yard loss into a 15 yard gain because of his ability to break tackles. Watch him take an inside handoff, press the line, make a cut and pick up 12 (very Bell like, since that comparison gets thrown around for CMC so much). 

CMC got dealt a raw hand in his RB duties. The line struggled. The play calling was predictable. But there were times when his inability to break tackles cost him plenty of yards. 

Simply put, Kamara>>CMC at this point, and it's not relatively close. We'll see how it ends up after their second year.

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 You mean like running basic off tackle runs and watching Kamara go the distance. Or breaking more Kurt Coleman tackles than CMC broke total for the year. Payton didn’t do that for him. 

He did do that.  But heck the whole league broke Colemans tackles last year.

He did have some success between the tackles last year.

But id say (im trying to find the breakdown) 70% of his carries were outside getting in space.  His catches outside were in space.

Turn on any highlight film of his last year, and most of it is get him outsode or on space with a few little inside carries sprinkled.

And remember, teams cant stack the box vs Sean Paytons teams unlike Shula's.  Remember the stat where Stewart has been atop of the league in carries into stacked boxes.  You dont think that changed because CMC was in.  Teams didnt fear to with Shula calling the shots