I would like to talk about this Matt Kalil situation

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Bud, are you lost? I explicitly said last year's free agent class and draft class had no bearing on last season. No where does that imply that to be the case every time. That explicitly means that LAST YEAR... LAST YEAR... LAST YEAR (hopefully you got it)... Outside of McCaffrey, not one player acquire through the draft or through free agency was responsible for the success of the team.

Now, I'm waiting for you to state which players made an impact that were acquired in the draft and free agency last year. I already stated McCaffrey did.

If I give DG credit for last year it's because of players he drafted previously that made an impact. Not Curtis Samuel and Taylor Moton who had no impact.

If we give him credit because of Funchess, because of Star, because of Short... Then why does Hurney not get credit for 2013 when 75% of the roster was his.

Your arguement is asinine.

Because Hurney didn’t draft the team. He didn’t sign Peppers, Adams, draft CMC and a cheap K who Hurney cut. Plus the rest of the team. Giving anyone but Gettleman credit and blame for 2017 is what is asinine.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

You mean Mario Addison, the guy who was signed by Hurney in 2012?

Addison was signed by Brandon Beane. Marty had already been fired before he got here.

Also, I'm pretty sure we haven't switched Mario Addison to left tackle.

[Moo Daeng]

5 hours ago, Lumps said:

Impossible. That means he’d be good and demand money and Panthers don’t pay or really retain olineman.

Its  thread about paying the exact same position.

[MillionDollarCam]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney.

Did you actually think asking that question would help your argument?

It certainly will when the Panthers have a winning season and finally put back to back winning seasons together.

That question puts you in a box where you can't weasel your way out.

The Panthers are set up for success this year and Hurney will get credit for it (whether right or wrong) even though most of the players aren't even his.

Thats fine by me. At least I see how you evaluate GM's now.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

You mean Mario Addison, the guy who was signed by Hurney in 2012?

  Wrong. That was Billy Beane. Hurney was on his couch when that happened. 

[MillionDollarCam]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Addison was signed by Brandon Beane. Marty had already been fired before he got here.

Also, I'm pretty sure we haven't switched Mario Addison to left tackle.

You are correct on Addison and you said "who is taking his position".

I thought you were referencing CJ.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

It certainly will when the Panthers have a winning season and finally out back to back winning seasons together.

That question puts you in a box where you can't weasel your way out.

The Panthers are set up for success this year and Hurney will get credit for it (whether right or wrong) even though most of the players aren't even his.

Thats fine by me. At least I see how you evaluate GM's now.

Yeah dude, if you're reduced to stuff like "well, we're gonna win it all this year" and "go cheer for another team", you've pretty much lost.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

It certainly will when the Panthers have a winning season and finally out back to back winning seasons together.

That question puts you in a box where you can't weasel your way out.

The Panthers are set up for success this year and Hurney will get credit for it (whether right or wrong) even though most of the players aren't even his.

Thats fine by me. At least I see how you evaluate GM's now.

Difference is.... the last team Hurney put together went 7-9. They improved 5 wins the following year. So by comparison, we need to go what....undefeated? Being that we had 11 wins this year.  

[MillionDollarCam]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah dude, if you're reduced to stuff like "well, we're gonna win it all this year" and "go cheer for another team", you've pretty much lost.

Not at all, and we can revisit when the season is over.

You've placed yourself in a box that doesn't allow you to straddle the fence for who gets credit for what.

You evaluate performance differently than I and a lot of analysts do. That's why Mark Jackson still gets a poo ton of credit for organizing the Warriors dynasty even though he was a crappy coach. Kerr wouldn't be where he is today without those players.

Similarly, DG wouldn't have been set up for instant success without the likes of Newton and Kuechly and Hurney wouldn't have been set up for instant success without the likes of McCaffrey, Funchess, and Short. 

But by all means, keep telling me how great the 4 seasons that are attributed to DG in the record books were. I'm glad we had so much consistency.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Not at all, and we can revisit when the season is over.

You've placed yourself in a box that doesn't allow you to straddle the fence for who gets credit for what.

You evaluate performance differently than I and a lot of analysts do. That's why Mark Jackson still gets a poo ton of credit for organizing the Warriors dynasty even though he was a crappy coach. Kerr wouldn't be where he is today without those players.

Similarly, DG wouldn't have been set up for instant success without the likes of Newton and Kuechly and Hurney wouldn't have been set up for instant success without the likes of McCaffrey, Funchess, and Short. 

But by all means, keep telling me how great the 4 seasons that are attributed to DG in the record books were. I'm glad we had so much consistency.

Never had any intention of "straddling the fence". The fact that you think you've somehow "got me" is pretty laughable. Definitely shows you didn't comprehend a good portion of the things I said.

Now, if I were trying to give credit to a guy who was hired right before the season for all of the moves that had been done in the past few years before he got here, meanwhile also saying that a guy who was three years into his job owed his success to a guy that hadn't been part of the team that entire time, I'd probably call that "straddling the fence".

(or I suppose I could just call it "terrible logic"; that's probably more accurate)

[electro's horse]

17 minutes ago, bull123 said:

matt not gonna restructure or give any $$ back...why would he?

best bet is to move him inside, center maybe as he is a decent run blocker, just cant handle the speed rushers like quinn as we saw against Miami 

cutting him outright is not ideal as he will cost us no matter what

 

 

The panthers next center is already on the team and paid as such.

which team do you follow?

[Mr. Scot]

One other thing relevant to the topic...

There's no way to know how much influence Richardson had in the signing of Kalil or the terms of his contract. With no evidence either way, the general assumption would be that he didn't.

It is worth remembering though, what Richardson did issue a mandate before the 2016 offseason. This fact has been repeatedly confirmed by Bill Voth.

Gettleman was reportedly told by Richardson to "spend money" and a lot of it. This would have gone against Gettleman's normal penny-pinching nature, but Richardson was the boss.

How much that played into the Kalil contract? Who can say?  You could, however, make a pretty good argument that was a harbinger of things to come.

[electro's horse]

that's not even the first time Richardson has issued that edict

hello there james anderson...

of course this time Richardson might have known the knives were coming out for him and was trying to make the team seem unpurchasable. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, electro's horse said:

that's not even the first time Richardson has issued that edict

hello there james anderson...

of course this time Richardson might have known the knives were coming out for him and was trying to make the team seem unpurchasable. 

It doesn't matter how horrible the roster situation is, there are still only 32 NFL franchises. If you're a billionaire and you want in, you have to jump when there's an available opportunity.

I think JR was likely completely blindsided by what happened, both that his actions ultimately came to light and that his fellow owners didn't rally to protect him like he would've for them. 

Honestly, I think his edict to spend was spurred by a couple of factors. One, his age and healthy issues over the past decade or so. He knows his biological clock was ticking and he wanted a Super Bowl win. Two, the Norman fiasco. The Panthers got drug through the mud for being cheap on that one and altogether botching that situation and honestly I think that was fair. That combined with a very sub-par 2016 season (no doubt impacted by the Norman situation) probably had JR feeling a little impatient.