FYI: the panthers have no cap space

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

This guy. I’m not arguing in circles anymore because you got pissy man. Lol

  Who’s mad. This is hilarious. It’s like pistol-whipping a blind kid. 

 

[iamhubby1]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Who’s mad. This is hilarious. It’s like pistol-whipping a blind kid. 

 

 

    This statement pretty much sums up your reputation. Maybe try and be part of the solution.

[iamhubby1]

5 hours ago, Bronn said:

We're gonna need cap flexibility just to stay afloat. Bad contracts on guys like Matt Kalil and Munnerlyn are hurting us right now. One could argue that the last thing we need to do is to make things harder in the next few years on us financially.

 

    Two things fans are not known for. Planning for the future. And worrying about money.

 

    Just win me a damm SB, I don't care about all that other stuff. 

 

    Man, I wish it were that easy. Need a DE, go sign one. Need a LT, go get you one. Easy Peasy.

[Doc Holiday]

20 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Who’s mad. This is hilarious. It’s like pistol-whipping a blind kid. 

 

Not I Bro. Just tired of going in circles other people see what’s going on like Bronn pointed out.

This argument started with an actual point, you made some points and I made some points, I took some losses and so did you. the second half after you got pissy has just been straight up stupid yo.

I’m not going to argue till Armageddon in circles so you can achieve some sort of absolute victory.

this poo stupid and the sooner  you figure that out the better. Like I said before I’m done.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

6 hours ago, Toomers said:

  Restructure Cam and Kk. Learn things before speaking in absolutes

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    This statement pretty much sums up your reputation. Maybe try and be part of the solution.

  Sure thing Dr. Phil. Doesn’t matter what you post as long as it’s coated.with unicorns and puppies. Isn’t Oprah on. And stop acting like you are so above this. You came after me when I never acknowledged you ever. But you’re the solution? Whatever helps you sleep at night. 

   

 

 

[Doc Holiday]

5 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

We are Vader’s fist

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Not I Bro. Just tired of going in circles other people see what’s going on like Bronn pointed out.

This argument started with an actual point, you made some points and I made some points, I took some losses and so did you. the second half after you got pissy has just been straight up stupid yo.

I’m not going to argue till Armageddon in circles so you can achieve some sort of absolute victory.

this poo stupid and the sooner  you figure that out the better. Like I said before I’m done.

  You said I was wrong. What losses?  Don’t care about losses. That’s you. You calledme wrong and still haven’t shown anything I’ve said to be anything but fact. And you just want me to say cool? Forget that. I didn’t call you wrong with lies. You did. And still won’t say so. 

  The little trick of deflecting to a more “PC response” when a person is just wrong is tiresome. Either know what you’re talking about or deal with responses. 

[iamhubby1]

10 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Sure thing Dr. Phil. Doesn’t matter what you post as long as it’s coated.with unicorns and puppies. Isn’t Oprah on. And stop acting like you are so above this. You came after me when I never acknowledged you ever. But you’re the solution? Whatever helps you sleep at night. 

   

 

 

 

    Case in point. Thanks for proving mine.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

That's not a cap mess..... Smith was a trade btw and a great trade. The dead money that MH agreed to for Shepard is 1.4mil.... again not a cap mess.

DG's signing of MK was a bad assessment of talent, but  it is not  a cap mess, since we can get out of it next year and not lose a poo load of money.

Again, what you and I perceive as a cap mess is different. See panthers 2011-2015 for a real cap mess.

 

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

That's not a cap mess..... Smith was a trade btw and a great trade. The dead money that MH agreed to for Shepard is 1.4mil.... again not a cap mess.

DG's signing of MK was a bad assessment of talent, but  it is not  a cap mess, since we can get out of it next year and not lose a poo load of money.

Again, what you and I perceive as a cap mess is different. See panthers 2011-2015 for a real cap mess.

The main reason that  2011 to 2014 was trouble was a flat cap which didnt excalate like now. If we were still flat our cap mess would be twice what it was then. And kalil"s dead cap if we cut him next year is still 15 million. Over one year or two that is a ton. Plus we have to replace him as well. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

2013-18.6M 

2014- 27M

2015-15M(and a 20M cap hit for CJ)

  He sure didn’t leave a worse mess than he inherited.

Agreed but who made that point? I simply said we have almost 27 million in dead cap and IR. Kalil is a huge part which would be bigger if we hadn't restructured it. 

[Doc Holiday]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

 

The main reason that  2011 to 2014 was trouble was a flat cap which didnt excalate like now. If we were still flat our cap mess would be twice what it was then. And kalil"s dead cap if we cut him next year is still 15 million. Over one year or two that is a ton. Plus we have to replace him as well. 

But there is a large savings too, the question is, is he worth his Cap hit? If the answer is no $15m dead cap over two years or not we need to just cut our losses and move on.

i think we will know when he comes back from injury. If he comes back and is terrible then he just needs to go and we need to cut our losses. If he is good then keep him and just grin our teeth and bare it.

imo to date he has not been worth the contract we are paying him and if I were to make a choice today I’d cut him post June 1st next year.

[Toomers]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Agreed but who made that point? I simply said we have almost 27 million in dead cap and IR. Kalil is a huge part which would be bigger if we hadn't restructured it. 

  I don’t see how IR guys matter. Until someone can predict injuries, where do you assess anything. And the 10M is bottom half of the league. So it isn’t as bad as it’s been before. And if it’s a mess, what was it before. Cap He’ll that’s what. 

  It’s aleays good to add context to the agendas.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  I don’t see how IR guys matter. Until someone can predict injuries, where do you assess anything. And the 10M is bottom half of the league. So it isn’t as bad as it’s been before. And if it’s a mess, what was it before. Cap He’ll that’s what. 

  It’s aleays good to add context to the agendas.

If a guy on IR has had an injury past it matters. If like Williams he doesn't then it doesn't which it why I didn't mention it. Kalil.on the other hand did so I mentioned it. Simple really.